#critlib 2017-08-23: mentorship chat

Archive of the August 23 2017 #critlib chat on mentorship, moderated by @zoh_zoh. For more info about #critlib, including past and future chats, visit http://critlib.org/

  1. Friends please mark your calendars & join me for a #critlib chat about mentorship on Weds 8/23 at 11AM Pacific!  http://critlib.org/mentorship-chat/ â€¦
  2. This'll be a great chat for LIS students & new librarians! Let's talk about mentorship & how it can address structural inequity! #critlib  https://twitter.com/zoh_zoh/status/898604662089072641 â€¦
  3. We'll start today's #critlib chat about mentorship in just about 25 minutes. Qs & readings here:  http://critlib.org/mentorship-chat/ â€¦
  4. a couple #critlib chat tips: I put my phone in Airplane mode so my notifications don't go nuts the whole hour, and I use tweetdeck.
  5. Introductions
  6. It's that time! Welcome to today's #critlib chat about mentorship. Let's start with intros. Feel free to include name, affiliation, etc.
  7. I'm your moderator today & I'm an #infolit librarian in-between gigs (funemployed?) in Seattle, WA. #critlib
  8. Hello #critlib! I’m Olivia, Scholarly Communication Associate @ButlerLib!
  9. I am Scholarly Communications Librarian at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln #critlib
  10. Hi #critlib, I'm a cataloger in the middle of Minnesota, still a bit eclipse hungover. Excited to talk about mentorship today!
  11. Reminder that all questions for today's #critlib chat can be found at:  http://critlib.org/mentorship-chat/ â€¦. @zoh_zoh will post Qs throughout the hour.
  12. Hi #critlib! I'm Sarah--instruction coordinator & liaison to English, Arts, & Humanities at GAState's Clarkston campus, just outside Atlanta
  13. Hey #critlib! Chelsea here. I'm a teaching librarian in Santa Barbara, California. Super excited to talk about mentorship today
  14. Hi #critlib. I'm a social sciences librarian and interim branch head at CU Boulder.
  15. Hey, #critlib ! I'm a current LIS student at the University of Denver.
  16. hi #critlib i'm amanda, a museum archivist in seattle. trying to work my way out of lurker status by actually introducing myself!
  17. Hi #critlib! I do outreach for an academic library in VA. Aspiring to transition from staff to faculty, so I'm stoked about today's chat!
  18. hi #critlib ... i'm a systems librarian with a vendor in central new york!
  19. Hi #critlib, I'm an academic librarian tuning in from a quiet #refdesk shift.
  20. Hi #critlib : I'm an archivist for a small university in Thunder Bay, Canada.
  21. #critlib A recently newly minted 'supervisorial librarian' at the LoC. Been playing in library world for some time, tho trained otherwise.
  22. Hiya #critlib! I'm Ryan, a community college librarian in Boise. It's our first week of classes, so we'll see how much I can follow today.
  23. Hello #critlib! I am an academic instruction librarian in DC & I adjunct as an MLIS instructor 🙋🏼
  24. Hi there! #critlib I'm a new FYE and instruction librarian at a community college. This is my first active participation in the convo!
  25. Hi #critlib, I'm a cataloger who has just taken a lot of post-surgery pain meds but is interested in mentoring. Expect moderate surrealism.
  26. Hi #critlib! A Seattle-ish academic librarian here, excited about today's topic.
  27. hi #critlib information literacy librarian in missouri. following this chat pulled up on my secondary monitor, so I'll be in & out
  28. Q1. How do you define success in a mentoring relationship?
  29. Q1 How do you define success in a mentoring relationship? #critlib
  30. One measure of success is feeling relaxed when interacting w/your mentor or mentee. If it's tense, something is probably not right. #critlib
  31. A1 to me, success in mentorship is about mutual growth for both/all parties--learning new things, gaining new perspectives. #critlib
  32. Q1: Defining characteristic for me is trust. As mentee I want to feel I can ask anything & as mentor I want mentee to feel that too #critlib
  33. As a mentor, I want to learn as much from the mentee as they are learning from me. #critlib
  34. @histknowledge definitely! feel free to tag your answers with the hashtag, e.g. A1... #critlib if you want to share with the chat. :)
  35. A1. I don't usually define in terms of "success". Hopes and goals for mentoring: mutual listening, fostering humanity on the job. #critlib
  36. A1: both parties believe they've learned from the other, both have positive emotions about the relationship #critlib
  37. A1.) When both mentor & mentee are teaching & learning from each other. As opposed to the mentor teaching & the mentee learning. #critlib
  38. @SueAGardner Ooh, good point. Successful mentoring relationships need mutual trust/confidence. #critlib
  39. A1: So I had a mixed experience with mentors...my really successful one was one where the mentor told me she was hard to please #critlib
  40. @SueAGardner i agree w this, & also think it's harder to get to w formal mentorship programs right away. wondering how that can be mitigated? #critlib
  41. A1 My most successful mentorship experiences have been the ones I keep in touch with from year to year #critlib
  42. A1. growth for both parties involved. Fostering workplace relationships & a culture of support & trust (if limited by org) #critlib
  43. Yes, this! I think that both parties have to give this rapport time to grow, but without it, many things are impossible. #critlib  https://twitter.com/SueAGardner/status/900420395358191616 â€¦
  44. And it was that honestly that set us on a path towards mutual respect? I felt worried but like respected. #critlib
  45. A1.2 As a mentor, I try hard to let my mentees define the parameters for our relationship and judge success based on their goals #critlib
  46. Hey #critlib - a few minutes late. I'm an academic librarian in California.
  47. I'm definitely hearing themes of trust, rapport, respect, growth, listening, and learning in the answers to Q1! #critlib
  48. A1. For me, success in a mentoring relationship is defined by mutual development and connection. Both of you are less alone. + #critlib
  49. A1.) I think the idea of mentoring puts pressure on the mentor to be a fount of knowledge & on the mentee to be eager to learn. #critlib
  50. A1 i think success in mentorship really surrounds both of parties involved to learn. the "newbie" is learning practices but... #critlib
  51. Hi #critlib. Didn't realize there was a chat. I'm Kate, currently at UW as a techie, starting at Syracuse as inclusion librarian in October.
  52. @ephemeramanda @SueAGardner Good point! Have had 'arranged' mentorships not work out for this reason. For me, wonder if it was bc relationship was 100% email? #critlib
  53. A1.) As a mentee, I have something of value to teach my mentor. As a mentor, I have so much to learn from my mentee. #critlib
  54. A1 continued ...maybe the mentor can implement a change based on something a mentee has pointed out #critlib
  55. @erinaleach #critlib definitely. it can be hard on the ego to be a mentor who doesn't know all the answers
  56. i will say this: my therapist has been a better mentor to me than any librarian/archivist has #critlib
  57. A1 I'll be honest that sometimes success in mentorship just means MAKING TIME for it to happen through regular convos & checkins. #critlib
  58. A1. + It makes the profession better, in the sense that any affirming relationship makes society better, but it's about two people. #critlib
  59. A1. I think successful mentorship lasts long-term and goes beyond one or two interactions. #critlib
  60. @henare That's a really awesome point! I think a thing we don't talk about is that mentoring requires humility on both sides. #critlib
  61. @zoh_zoh @ForgetTheMaine High expectations are the best, imo. 1 of my best mtor/mtee rships involved a lot of honest critique, working together to improve #critlib
  62. q1- I've found it helpful to have a network, more perspectives and areas of knowledge #critlib
  63. A1 A successful mentoring relationship must be awarding to both parties. I had a "mentor" who used me as a "shining" example #critlib
  64. A1 In particular, if the mentoring relationship is established career person and person seeking work/very new, the goal is to get...#critlib
  65. @marccold Yep, agree. If I can't be "me as a person" along with "me as a librarian" in those interactions, it's not going to work. #critlib
  66. Re A1. This can also set up idea that luminaries in the field are most worthy mentors, which can make it more intimidating to ask. #critlib  https://twitter.com/erinaleach/status/900421569826181120 â€¦
  67. Q2. Have you ever participated in, or do you currently participate in, a formal mentorship program? If so, what is/was it? What was your experience?
  68. Q2 (pt 1 of 2) Have you ever, or do you currently, participate in a formal mentorship program? #critlib
  69. Q2 (pt 2 of 2) If so, what is/was the program? What was your experience? #critlib
  70. A2 I've participated in several formal programs as mentor & mentee. One of best experiences was through ACRL Instruction Section. #critlib
  71. #critlib Q2 I was paired up in a formal mentoring program and my mentor ignored all of my emails and never reached out. I was left ???
  72. A2: Been in several formal mentorship programs. On both sides. Some worked better than others. #critlib
  73. @dimmitsays @ephemeramanda @SueAGardner FWIW, I'm meeting w/someone via Google Hangouts and it's way more...impactful than mentor/mentee relationships I've had by email. #critlib
  74. A2 through ACRL Instruction Section, I was paired up with new-ish comm college librarian & we had great convos about CC libship. #critlib
  75. the mentee's career going, including getting jobs, meeting the right people, etc. #critlib
  76. A2 We didn't have a strict schedule, but we checked in via Skype/phone throughout the year and still stay in touch. #critlib
  77. A1 for me, success in mentoring is that it is about growth for all involved. Not to mention mutual respect and support.#critlib
  78. @zoh_zoh a2 i've been in the SAA mentorship program for 1 yr - mentor & i have agreed to continue relationship past the 1 yr obligation #critlib
  79. A2 even though we are located in opposite parts of the country, we met in person at ACRL in Baltimore! that was rad. #critlib
  80. A2 I've only had luck with informal mentorship. As a mentor and a mentee, the formal programs I've participated in have felt forced #critlib
  81. Q2 We have required mentors librarian as a part of the tenure process. Mine is wonderful, but our relationship is very specific #critlib
  82. #critlib this pretty much happened to me, too! I think it was a case of the person's workload getting in the way, but it was still uncool.  https://twitter.com/CritLib_anon/status/900422720265089024 â€¦
  83. Q2.1 I just finished the @ACRL_IS mentoring program as a mentee & had a great experience thanks to @PBKTrudi #critlib
  84. Q2P1: My university has an official mentorship program where they pair students with professionals in the area. #critlib
  85. A2: Through ACA (Cdn Archivists), ARMA, and my former employer. Latter was most structured #critlib
  86. A2 in contrast, I was in a faculty mentorship program in my last job and it wasn't successful bc I avoided my mentor. #critlib
  87. A2.1 I've participated in brief conference mentoring programs (thanks, @EthanDF !) both as mentor and mentee (?). #critlib
  88. #critlib A1 tend to agree; do also think a canny mentor knows when / how to segue between mentoring & coaching to subvert this.  https://twitter.com/erinaleach/status/900421569826181120 â€¦
  89. A2.) Many of my experiences have been through ALA. I was a mentee in LLAMA's program and a mentor in NMRT's program. 1/2 #critlib
  90. A2. I mentored 3 ppl via ALA/NMRT. Very good experience. Helped me understand my place in my own career. #critlib
  91. Q2. I tried an IFLA prog. But I got too busy. Plus, idk if I feel comfortable w/solely email based. I like to be able to chat #critlib
  92. A2 I appreciate the university trying to support mentorship among faculty but it wasn't a great fit for me. #critlib
  93. A2 I participate in (and helped create) a formal mentoring program in my organization. #critlib
  94. #critlib A2 (P1 &2). No formal mentorship program for me at LoC (yet). Been informal mentor in previous career as faculty...
  95. A2. In my first year as a librarian, I asked for a mentor through NMRT. We talked by phone about once a month. #critlib
  96. A2.) Now I'm mentoring as part of the ALCTS mentoring program. 2/2 #critlib
  97. @julezig any advice to others trying to create a m-ship program in their library? #critlib
  98. A2 I was in a formal but unstructured mentorship program once #critlib
  99. #critlib I was supposed to get another mentor from the division (can't even remember... LLAMA? ACRL?) but it never happened, so oh well.
  100. But I'm eager to learn what has made others' mships successful! #critlib
  101. A2: for me, it's been a good experience to participate in but there have been challenges in organizing the program. #critlib
  102. A2 Favorite thing about my mentor is that she *follows through* like a mf-ing champ and schedules a 1:1 meeting each month #critlib
  103. A2 #critlib I once participated in a formal mentorship program as a protege but it was a bust because professional interests weren't aligned
  104. A2.2 While these were not classical mentoring programs, they were a great chance to meet a wide variety of info profs. #critlib
  105. A2 I've yet to do any mentoring in the library world. I did a lot in grad school for STEM diversity as both mentor/mentee #critlib
  106. A1 Echoing others, but trust, openness from both parties, & chemistry are all big factors for me #critlib
  107. A2. Current mentor has been super responsive to my request to make more state-wide connections & meet local cataloger-type folks. #critlib
  108. @ACRL_IS @PBKTrudi Q2.2 I learned a lot, felt sincere interest from @PBKTrudi, was encouraged to do something I wouldn't have thought to do #critlib
  109. if you're interested in the ALA mentorship programs being mentioned in the answers to Q2, check out  http://www.ala.org/tools/librariestransform/mentoring-opportunities â€¦ #critlib
  110. A2: structure helped. Requirement to meet monthly, mat'l to discuss (which we ignored if other things came up): got us past awkward #critlib
  111. I had a very sweet mentor but they didn't have the time to commit to the program so I never saw or heard from them #critlib
  112. A2: it's a shift to get people to think about mentoring in different ways. More coaching less fountain of knowledge. #critlib
  113. I prefer informal rships I have with mentor-like folks in my org. More natural & beneficial to me as both a professional & person. #critlib
  114. A2.) I have felt the challenge of making the mentoring relationship a priority when life gets hectic. #critlib
  115. Worst was my mentee experience since she did nothing to support me. Best were when I saw a student who needed someone. #critlib
  116. Ayuf, a #critlib about mentoring and here's me indisposed.
  117. A2 it also gave me an advocate in a department where I likely would not have had one - which has been an unexpected benefit #critlib
  118. A2 I appreciate having formal-ish mentors @ MPOW. Simplifies the process when I'm not sure where to turn, even if I get referred. #critlib
  119. A2. I am mid-career and find it hard to find good mentors now. Early career, I had several informal 1s, many of whom were very good #critlib
  120. A2Pt2: the mentor relationships a lot of us had felt super forced #critlib
  121. @erinaleach @dimmitsays @ephemeramanda @SueAGardner Agree with this 100% - I'm a part of a formal mentoring program and even our chats on the phone are more productive than emails #critlib
  122. #critlib OT: I know that the short term for a person being mentored is 'mentee,' but I really wish it were 'telemachus.'
  123. A2 I dont have formal mentorship program at my work, but I did ask about them in each of my interviews for positions #critlib
  124. This is critical. Sometimes, you may need to drop everything, especially if there's a diversity issue involved. #critlib  https://twitter.com/erinaleach/status/900423733155954688 â€¦
  125. A2. NMRT suggested topics for each month. Mentor also had great Qs about how the job was feeling, which I wasn't expecting. #critlib
  126. @SueAGardner #critlib i've had much more success with informal mentors. they made the time ...
  127. #critlib A2 I have a mentor for @CILIPinfo chartership. The chartership provides the framework; you make of the process what you will.
  128. @zoh_zoh Think about what you want for the program. Is it achieving tenure? Psychosocial support? Adjusting to institution/organization? #critlib
  129. I've done mentoring with LGBT students, women in STEM, and students with disabilities, including mental health. #critlib
  130. A2. I was an ALCTS mentor for a hot second. But I'm a crap correspondent (especially via email) so.... sorry, Heather! #critlib  https://twitter.com/zoh_zoh/status/900422386360737792 â€¦
  131. A2: Never participated in a formal program, although my current place of employment does offer to pair up librarians #critlib
  132. I'm seeing multiple comments that phone/video calls can make a long-distance mentorship relationship more productive. #critlib
  133. @zoh_zoh And don't let mentoring fall to a few - encourage people to mentor and to shift perspectives (help coach people, expand networks). #critlib
  134. I've been a mentee with mental health issues. When in a crisis, for a mentor suggesting to eat a candy for motivation is... um... #critlib
  135. This is an interesting point--anyone else have struggles finding good mentors in their mid-career? #critlib  https://twitter.com/SueAGardner/status/900423887963467783 â€¦
  136. @zoh_zoh I'm a huge fan of @divaprof approach to mentoring. It's been influential to how I've worked on our program here. #critlib.
  137. @sarahkirkley I loved my formal program experience but I am still super jealous of this & wish MPOW had something like it #critlib
  138. This as well! Underrepresented groups often get pulled into extra service work which is not rewarded as much as other productivity #critlib  https://twitter.com/julezig/status/900424454609788928 â€¦
  139. A2. In 1st career (museums), I supervised a lot of interns. Their program's guidelines required goals & objectives for projects. #critlib
  140. A2 For me, informal mentor/mentee relationships have happened organically but also been difficult to maintain w/moves, life, etc. #critlib
  141. @CILIPinfo #critlib A2.2 this has worked extremely well & IME worth the @CILIPinfo membership by itself.
  142. @zoh_zoh And think beyond the 1:1 mentoring approach. One person will not have all the answers, nor should they. #critlib
  143. A2 I had a Music Dept prof as a formal mentor early on. Odd match in some ways but I don't regret it. #critlib
  144. @zoh_zoh Also, I have many resources & experiences to share and am happy to talk to anyone about it. #critlib
  145. A1 It's important to find the right fit both on a professional and personally level (1/2) #critlib
  146. A1 some of the best mentors I've had made the effort give advice about work/life balance and how to avoid burnout [2/2] #critlib
  147. Q3. What are some informal ways you have mentored, or been mentored by, other library workers?
  148. Q3 What are some informal ways you have mentored, or been mentored by, other library workers? #critlib
  149. Hard to believe it but we're already half-way through our chat. Great comments so far everyone! Love your input. #critlib
  150. A3 I made a point to spend time with our LIS graduate students at my last place of work. Maybe more than they wanted. :p #critlib
  151. A3: Through great librarians in my workplace who took the time to actually get to know me, take me to coffee, and answer questions #critlib
  152. @zoh_zoh I'm doing some research in this area now and mid-career is often neglected when it comes to mentoring. #critlib
  153. @julezig @zoh_zoh Yes! @julezig was on a great panel at ACRL (w a great handout) about seeking out multiple mentors for diff kinds of needs. #critlib
  154. A3 but srsly when I had the opportunity, I took LIS grad students to coffee/lunch, gave them REAL&meaningful work to do, listened. #critlib
  155. A3: in mid career, I have dozens of people I can phone or email abt specific questions, rather than one mentor #critlib
  156. A3. I've reached out through private messages on twitter/slack to people I trust when I need work advice #critlib
  157. A3 library workers have sat down with me, listened to my interests, explained library jargon, went over copyright with me and etc. #critlib
  158. @zoh_zoh I would think about what areas you want to grow and look for ways to connect with people in those areas. #critlib
  159. I owe a lot to a few folks who helped me through the interview/negotiation process I did this summer #critlib
  160. A3 Best thing I did for myself when I started this job was to spend ~an hour down @ our desk w/each person in my dept.... #critlib
  161. A3 Best relationships I had were informal, learning on committees. Jumped in w a group who liked to organize preconferences #critlib +
  162. A3 the greatest gift any library worker has given to me is their TIME, talking to me about what they do & what it means. #critlib
  163. A3- Shout out to @zoh_zoh for being an A+ informal mentor and video chatting w/ me whenever I have an existential librarian crisis #critlib
  164. A3. I am vaguely ashamed to admit that most of my mentoring relationships were the result of luck, not any initiative on my part. #critlib
  165. A3 cont: I got to know them, got to observe them w/students, got to ask questions in a low-stakes way #critlib
  166. they have also gone out of their way to find me opportunities to take on or conferences to attend #critlib
  167. A3 I incorporate informal mentoring into some of my interactions with jr colleagues if they are receptive-I want them to get tenure #critlib
  168. A3 I offer to take MLIS students out for ice cream and coffee and always pay for us both ☕️🍦 #critlib
  169. A3 learned about metadata, a/v pres, controlled vocab, and how to use all by TALKING with lib friends; info & skills= pro dev #critlib
  170. and I got to learn a lot about creating a topic, getting speakers, and trying to think outside the box on an all-day program #critlib +
  171. A2. And it helped that NMRT mentor was from a diff institution & could raise critical Qs about my place of work. #critlib
  172. A3. Informal mentoring is my jam. Largely because it's less likely to come with a sense of attachment or control. #critlib  https://twitter.com/zoh_zoh/status/900424912166375426 â€¦
  173. A3 I remember many library workers at Multnomah County bluntly telling me the truth about #librarylife & it meant a lot. #critlib
  174. there aren't many opportunities to get mentored on program planning, I was glad to have fallen into it & built great relationships #critlib
  175. A3: Also shoutout to @kevinseeber for being the unquestioningly best boss an instruction grad student could have asked for #critlib
  176. A3 The best relationships I made were through project based work. It’s a great way to include junior/senior level staff. #critlib
  177. A3 by far, best mship exp was as a grad student library assistant. I wish there were more opps to be in a position of learning NOW. #critlib
  178. A3 I have also informally mentored staff who are trying to break into the tenure track. I feel for them; it's a hard row to hoe. #critlib
  179. A3: it's amazing what a cup of coffee/tea/etc. can do. I've bought many for LIS/recent grads and had the favor returned by others. #critlib
  180. A3 Both as mentor to students & mentee, lots of open & honest conversation. About librarianship & workplace stuff & even life stuff #critlib
  181. A3 (2/2) recalling, of course, that I have no formal training in ILS. Picked up everything thru informal mentorship w/good friends #critlib
  182. I think this is so key--whenever you can, give your mentees something meaningful to *do* or *create*. #critlib  https://twitter.com/mancwegian918/status/900426218201378816 â€¦
  183. A3 there was SAA session on horizontal mentorship that i keep thinking abt a lot. i really like idea of colleagues skillsharing + #critlib
  184. this was all done informally and on their own time #critlib
  185. Honestly, some of the best mentoring I've ever had/done has been over a good lunch chat #critlib
  186. @kevinseeber A3- he told me the truth about issues I would face, listened to my ideas, made time for informal coffee, made great & terrible puns #critlib
  187. A3. Had a boss at a paraprofessional gig recognize that I could do more than the rote tasks in my job description #critlib
  188. A3 #critlib while faculty, I looked forward to working with UO Library peeps. I always learned, and they always delivered.
  189. @zoh_zoh Yes! The more practical experience they have, the more prepared they will be. #critlib
  190. A3 I stay in touch with people by any means necessary and *always* skip programs at lib conferences to get coffee w/old friends #critlib
  191. Same. Feel lucky that folks treated us like people w/real goals and empowered us to figure them out. #critlib  https://twitter.com/thelizbrarian/status/900426317241491457 â€¦
  192. A3. I also think a lot about how informal mentoring is often inequitable. And how to be part of the solution. #critlib
  193. @zoh_zoh A3. Grateful to many librarian bloggers for sharing experiences/advice. One to many there, not the same accountability to respond. #critlib
  194. A3. (cont.) When I met someone I really admired, on a personal as well as a professional level, a mentoring relationship evolved. #critlib
  195. A3. tbh informal mentoring is less effective for me--formal relationship gives me permission to admit more insecurity/uncertainty. #critlib
  196. @violetbfox That makes a lot of sense. Sometimes, you need to know a person is formally in your corner. #critlib
  197. An informal relationship makes me feel like I'm asking for unearned emotional labor. Not sure if that's true or just my perception. #critlib
  198. & building each other up. in a field that's so saturated & competitive, i want us to take care of each other. #critlib
  199. A2.2 Challenge w/ formal mentoring (for me) is that I often feel socially awkward / constrained by prescriptive interaction #critlib
  200. @zoh_zoh I find that we end up with more peer mentors in mid-career, fewer opportunities to talk to higher ups about next steps & potential #critlib
  201. A4 In the STEM diversity m-ship programs, I've seen a lot of emphasis on longitudinal mentoring. Mentees become mentors in the... #critlib
  202. A3: Appreciate when mentors will give me a slight nudge out of my comfort zone & show their confidence in my ability #critlib
  203. Q3.) My informal mentoring (on both sides) has grown from interactions in other contexts w/people I have a good rapport with. #critlib
  204. A4 the CDN Government has a National Mentoring Program that has a team dedicated to providing support/resources to mentors/mentees #critlib
  205. The opportunity to create was extremely formative both in my grad school & first lib job. It's so much more than a bullet on a CV #critlib  https://twitter.com/zoh_zoh/status/900426425341050881 â€¦
  206. @JenniLBurke scheduled meetings with me to discuss differences and similarities between libraries because I didn't know anything #critlib
  207. A3 As a mid-career person, I've started looking out for mentorship, rather than up. Some of my best mentors are lateral #critlib
  208. community. Great idea, but has a dangerous potential flaw: Sometimes, a mentor needs mentoring/support from the community. #critlib
  209. @keribrary @zoh_zoh Do you think that's because of power dynamics? If I help you up that means less room at the top? #critlib
  210. #critlib A3 in terms of knowledge sharing I'm extremely grateful for recommendations on how to read and explore theory from folk On Here.
  211. A3.) Also, I have made a lot of connections on Twitter b/c I try to be friendly to, and supportive of, those around me. #critlib
  212. The roles of mentee/mentor need to be flexible and to realize that just some experience/seasoning does not make one an expert. #critlib
  213. @keribrary @zoh_zoh I think some people would frankly like a person to stay where s/he is so they do not facilitate advancement even though they could. #critlib
  214. A3.) Also also, if you're looking for someone to mentor you informally, I'm happy to do what I can. #critlib
  215. Q4. What are some examples of strong mentorship programs outside of libraries? What can we adapt/change in library mentorship programs?
  216. Just a quick note about Q4--mentorship has been shorted to m-ship. Feel free to use mship or m-ship in your answers. #critlib
  217. Q4 What are some examples of strong m-ship programs outside of libraries? What can we adapt/change in library m-ship programs? #critlib
  218. A4 Lots of people raise the idea of apprenticeship in relation to LIS. Wonder how this might look different than internships #critlib
  219. A4 I don’t have an answer to this but I’m interested to hear some responses so I can look into some programs! #critlib
  220. A4 i think it's really important to treat all grad student lib jobs as a mship opportunity. i've been in mixed situations where + #critlib
  221. A4 My univ has restorative practice for student accountability. They have fac/staff mentors work w/students after infractions 1/2 #critlib
  222. A4 #critlib short-term, almost pop-up, m-ship:  http://bit.ly/2xsOtOW . but recurs at annual @afsfolklorists professional meeting...
  223. A4 If any programs I'd recommend, I'd look at some early faculty women in STEM programs like CRA-W. #critlib
  224. A4 This support helps both parties maintain the relationship over the long term and stay connected when workloads are heavy #critlib
  225. A4 We've talked about working w/them to identify m-ship best practices, for faculty, staff, & students 2/2 #critlib
  226. A4 The best mentorship program I've ever experienced in my life was going through the tenure process as community college faculty. #critlib
  227. A4 bc I was tenure-track cc faculty, the focus was on my *teaching* (not on my *librarian-ing*) and that helped me grow IMMENSELY. #critlib
  228. I still keep in touch with my mentors but I'm not ready to mentor anyone else except maybe as an example of what not to do. #critlib
  229. @nora_almeida Library residency programs are becoming popular. When done right, they could be this! @ACRL_RIG is working to share best practices #critlib
  230. A4 It's also an excellent opportunity for public servants to foster connections outside of their department/branch/bubble #critlib
  231. A4 I don't have a great answer for this - but I am a big believer in shine theory:  https://tinyurl.com/y888zveo  #critlib
  232. Well, I guess I've mentored my part-timers and my interns. Maybe? I feel like it was mostly training though. #critlib
  233. A4 I informally mentor most of my husband's students. He is a biology prof. #critlib
  234. A3. Absolutely! Also, asynchronous Twitter and blogs fit in better than phone for time on desk and communication across time zones. #critlib  https://twitter.com/preater/status/900427701521199106 â€¦
  235. #critlib discussion is making me think a lot about seeking mentors in my new job... at SU, outside SU, will my being hired as an...
  236. @zoh_zoh I just started a new TT job and am very nervous on the RTP process and work-life balance. I'll take any recommendations. :) #critlib
  237. Can we count undergrad interns in other areas I convinced to go to grad school and become audio archivists? I got one of those. #critlib
  238. @erinaleach Think being supportive and friendly are totally underrated and can open up communication channels #critlib
  239. associate (even though I don't have an MLS) complicate things, that my actual positionis super unique... *grabs paper bag* #critlib
  240. A4 For changes in programs, I think instilling confidence in mentors is key. You don't have to know/do everything! #critlib
  241. Late to #critlib today, so lurking. Matthew, medlib and comics. Benefited greatly from mentorship (formal and informal) in grad school.
  242. Q5. How can mentorship help surface and transform power structures in library professions?
  243. Q5 How can mentorship help surface and transform power structures in library professions? #critlib
  244. A5 as mod, I'll be honest that I struggled with how to write/articulate Q5. #critlib
  245. A5 I do *not* think that mentorship alone can solve library's overwhelming whiteness. In some cases, it probably worsens it. #critlib
  246. A5. One of the best parts of mentorship is revealing the "unknown unknowns"--things newer folks don't even know to ask about. #critlib
  247. @violetbfox On the same wavelength, m-ship can also reveal new issues that established people might not be aware of due to changing times #critlib
  248. A5 (cont.) And there are more of those unknowns for first-gen librarians & POC librarians. #critlib
  249. A.5 Learning from people w/ diff experience / backgrounds / interests in key. A challenge in contexts where seniority is everything #critlib
  250. A5 but I do think that it is incredibly important for lib workers to see themselves in this profession & have supportive mentors. #critlib
  251. @sarahkirkley been thnkng abt this - i like helping & supporting ppl, but wondering if i'm too new to have smthng to contribute to formal mship #critlib
  252. @chelseaheinbach I'm always happy to chat about my experience going from non-TT academic lib to a TT position. It's awesome & daunting. #critlib
  253. @chelseaheinbach Congratulations!! Advice re TT: listen to what your reappt cmte tells you to do every yr. It is a non-optional hoop to jump through #critlib
  254. A5 By encouraging women & POC to pursue leadership positions and enthusiastically supporting them as they ascend #critlib
  255. @metageeky Definitely. Emerging issues within a workplace. And issues of student loan debt, which older librarians might not have dealt with. #critlib
  256. A4. I would love to have some follow-up conversations beyond #critlib chats and conferences. Anyone else up for this?
  257. A5: This is so important. Mentoring can often reinforce power structures. #critlib
  258. A5 if you're a library worker of color, be sure to check out @librarieswehere #critlib
  259. A5.1: I don't think mentorship alone can transform power structures, but it can hopefully demystify aspects of librarianship... #critlib
  260. Was just talking w/ some colleagues how "mentor programs" have a connotation that tends to ignore expertise of para/staff. #critlib
  261. @violetbfox Great example. Also sandwich caretaking issues, differences in financial things like home ownership, tech expectations. #critlib
  262. A5 I also want to boost #poclibrariansatwork as another way of finding community/mentorship for libs of color. #critlib
  263. A5 #critlib useful piece when thinking about mentoring models:  http://bit.ly/2wFg9mr  Not sure it's a full answer, but has good points.
  264. A5 mentors made me interested in librarianship, and if I hadn’t gotten their support I wouldn't be in the position I am in now #critlib
  265. like despite the fact that ____ has worked here for 20+ years, we need to look to the REAL librarians to be mentors. #critlib
  266. @thelizbrarian Keeping in mind need for more than 1-on-1 mentorship, how could para/staff be incorporated in workplace mentorship programs? #critlib
  267. A5 I try to learn from the power aspects of mship, not just let it buffet me. #critlib
  268. A5.) This question gives me pause. I worry that mentoring leads to replication of the structures we want to expose and dismantle. #critlib
  269. Wow, this hour has gone by very quickly! In the last 5 mins, please feel free to add any other thoughts and boost any pitches. #critlib
  270. @violetbfox @thelizbrarian I've seen first year/new employees do lunch outings for this purpose. #critlib
  271. A5 Also, I try to remember that institutions are made by people & that we have the power to slowly change the status quo #critlib
  272. @violetbfox @thelizbrarian Although I've seen efforts like this in grad programs create a super clique-ish group for that class year. #critlib
  273. Seriously as a POC I didn’t see librarianship as a career& I was hesitant to join bc I didn’t get the jargon+was unaware of jobs #critlib
  274. @violetbfox Think we need to start by acknowledging their expertise, that they know lots of things we don't. That we can/shld learn from them. #critlib
  275. A5. Mentors can help talk through institutional power structures, work out strategies for facing, challenging, shifting, surviving. #critlib  https://twitter.com/zoh_zoh/status/900429815676755968 â€¦
  276. A5: Successful mentoring programs are often a learning process from all sides. Mentees should feel validated to change systems #critlib
  277. I’m still not technically a ~librarian~ I’m support staff but I'm glad I have my foot in the door #critlib
  278. A5.) Recruiting & retaining more librarians w/privileged identities perpetuates the recruitment & retention of those people. #critlib
  279. My #critlib pitch is to ask you if you have questions re: publishing research to ask them using #libparlor hashtag to get convos started
  280. Mentoring can be destructive and damaging if you do it badly. Take mentorship seriously and do a good job. #critlib
  281. A5 Worries about stress on POC to act as mentors because there are so few in librarianship--so necessary but so emotionally taxing. #critlib
  282. As a mentee, feel empowered to cut off a relationship if it is not giving you what you need. Your feelings matter. #critlib
  283. I started a TT job last year, & I have very similar worries #critlib p.s. quick plug for #libparlor b/c this is what my first post is about!  https://twitter.com/kaitlinspring/status/900429375425847298 â€¦
  284. A5 Mentors must emphasize self-reflection and learning from the mentoring relationship and use that to inform their actions. #critlib
  285. @erinaleach Yup. And holding up those folks as "mentors" for anyone else can be daunting/off-putting. #critlib
  286. A5.) Especially if pairing a mentee with marginalized identities with a mentor with privileged identities leads to microagressions. #critlib
  287. A5 "Why can't we retain more diverse librarians? We pair them with rich white lady mentors, and they all leave LIS, hmm..." #critlib
  288. My pitch is that when you're not busy on the ref desk, edit #wikipedia instead of reading the news #wikiref #critlib
  289. ALSO If you have expertise to share re: publishing LIS research pls consider contributing to #libparlor  http://bit.ly/libparlor  #critlib
  290. A5 I think that mentoring relationships have to go both ways. There's always something to learn from someone else's perspective #critlib
  291. my colleagues & I started a zotero library with mentoring literature & resources #critlib might find useful:  https://www.zotero.org/groups/514222/mentoring_resources â€¦
  292. A5.) Or, if a person with marginalized identities looking to be mentored doesn't see anyone who reflects their experiences. #critlib
  293. A5 (cont) Having multiple mentors for different areas of career planning/dealing with nonsense helps ease some of that pressure. #critlib
  294. A5.) I guess the point is that as a person with privileged identities, I struggle with this question. #critlib
  295. Friends, our hour is officially up. What a fantastic conversation! Thanks to everyone for participating. Any volunteers to storify? #critlib
  296. GAH! Missed #critlib after all! Looking forward to catching up soon...
  297. @keribrary Yes, but there's the issue @ErinLeach is bringing up. You don't want to make the mentee have to do more work educating the mentor #critlib
  298. My wrap up comment is that it is very fun to see a mentee do well! @violetbfox #critlib
  299. @SueAGardner Thanks!! So glad I was able to talk with you about the future when I was unsure of myself & my career. 🌠 Your kindness means a lot! #critlib
  300. @metageeky @ErinLeach Right. I wouldn't expect it, I would just want to be open to listening when appropriate, I don't know everything + #critlib
  301. YAY mentorship! Thanks to all of you fine Twitter folks who I often look to as informal mentors, whether you know it or not ❤️ #critlib
  302. @erinaleach Struggling is a good first step. Addressing diversity and change has a lot of bootstrapping problems. #critlib
  303. @metageeky @ErinLeach + but I wouldn't want to be like: OMG! Tell me everything about being a new/marginalized/struggling library worker! + #critlib
  304. @erinaleach It would be easily solved if we had more diversity but to get more diversity, we need to change... ACK! #critlib
  305. A5 Tough one! How to support one another w/o perpetuating the problematic power structures & lack of diversity in LIS??#critlib
  306. Thank you so much @zoh_zoh for moderating this chat! Have a lot to think about, incl confronting fear of awkward Skype m-ship opps! #critlib
  307. @keribrary @ErinLeach It's amazing how many people of rare diversity get asked such questions. #critlib
  308. @metageeky @ErinLeach + but I hope I could hear what they have to say, and put it in context to support their needs and to lift them up when I can #critlib
  309. Today's chat was great! Thanks @zoh_zoh for moderating and thanks everyone for participating! #critlib 😀
  310. @christinemmoe There's also a #critlib iCal calendar that you can add to your Outlook, gmail, etc. calendar & it syncs via MAGIC. ✨  http://critlib.org/twitter-chats-calendar/ â€¦
  311. Many thanks to @zoh_zoh for modding #critlib and raising good questions.  http://www.newlibs.org/  should have articles re mentorship soon.
  312. missed the rest of #critlib cause I had my first TWO student consultations back to back :D
  313. Late in the #critlib game today. I'm Jenni, academic librarian at large.
  314. A2) I participated in a formal mentor program as a school librarian. My mentor was an AP HS teacher & she was amazing. #critlib
  315. A3 I sought out the mentorship in academic in those who had diff strengths, skills that I wanted, and/or those I trusted #critlib Still am!
  316. A3 In terms of mentoring, I tried to pass on as many "I wish someone had said..." nuggets as I possibly could to the GAs. #critlib
  317. A3 Tried to do coffee dates, did Reader's Advisory training, which was a gap in their program, asked their goals, BEFRIEND them. #critlib
  318. A4 Schools have a base-to-prof tchg license reqmt. You get a mentor and have regularly scheduled workshops. Strong program #critlib
  319. A5 Find mentors who are different than you! Huge. Either someone in your dept who with diff skill set or outside the dept #critlib
  320. This. A lot of the reason that I actively pursue opportunities to work w students & new profs is they keep me fresh. 2-way street. #critlib  https://twitter.com/keribrary/status/900432467001266176 â€¦
  321. Catching up on another fantastic #critlib One day I am going to be able to participate in real time!
  322. Looking through some of the #critlib chat from today that I missed, and remembering one of my own formal mship program experiences.
  323. #critlib followup: Handout from @julezig et al #ACRL2017 session, to brainstorm multiple people who serve different mentoring roles.  https://twitter.com/lisahubbell/status/845618947848372224 â€¦
  324. I missed the chat today, but basically, #critlib is my mentor
  325. But hey #critlib: Brand-new, indigenous immigrant PoC librarian here, in a new, conservative town: Mentors are welcome.
  326. As someone who earned their library degree completely online because I had 2 jobs to work around, I could really use a mentor. #critlib