#critlib chat: privilege in the library job search process
For more information, visit: http://critlib.org/privilege-in-the-library-job-search-process/
- The readings and questions are posted for tonight's #critlib chat, if you'd like to see them ahead of time: http://critlib.org/privilege-in-the-library-job-search-process/ …
- Join tonight's #critlib chat on privilege in lib job searches in about 30 mins! http://bit.ly/2tbXxVF
- Tonight's #critlib chat is moderated by @ForgetTheMaine, @modbrarian, @christinemmoe, & @kevinseeber
- @catladylib Hi Annie! I'm a resident librarian in Philly! I'm looking forward to tonight's #critlib chat!
- @catladylib #critlib Courtney, Academic Medical Librarian at Dalhousie University. Mostly just lurking tonight.
- For tonight's #critlib chat Q's and reading, check out the website: http://critlib.org/privilege-in-the-library-job-search-process/ …
- Hi, #critlib ! Helene Williams, longtime academic librarian now teaching at the @UW_iSchool in Seattle
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- Glad the director asked about PLG during my interview yesterday. Talked about #critlib for a minute. #librariesarenotneutral
- Hey #critlib fam, I'm an academic librarian in Denver and I work with @kevinseeber. I threw a box of Clif bars at him yesterday.
- For more context, read @panoptigoth's article Soliciting Performance, Hiding Bias: Whiteness &Librarianship http://bit.ly/2tGLl2T #critlib
- @violetbfox @metageeky @CritLib_anon I'm that there's a way to post anonymously on #critlib making it the most inclusive chat that I have participated in!
- See also: You Call It Professionalism; I Call It Oppression in a Three-Piece Suit - http://bit.ly/2tGndNZ #critlib
What is with these "related searches" when I'm following #critlib?!? #sharkweek? Ron Swanson? pic.twitter.com/3RnBfrOLsy- A2: I suspect "fit" is synonymous w "sameness" and given that lib* is mostly white field this doesn't encourage diversity in hiring #critlib https://twitter.com/catladylib/status/884941668700405760 …
- i have wondered what would happen if i switched my ambiguously ethnic surname for my mom's extremely anglo maiden name #critlib https://twitter.com/zoh_zoh/status/884942074860240897 …
- @aliversluis A1: I'm feeling this right now...must be RESEARCH library experience even for our entry levels. #critlib
- Shout this from the rooftops! #critlib https://twitter.com/catladylib/status/884942726394855424 …
- A1: Even the assumption that there *is* an internship / work study gig for everyone reinforces cultural expectations. #critlib https://twitter.com/livie_leigh/status/884942570182365184 …
- A1 Was originally going to give snarky answer about expectation that people know what hegemonic means but aka ytness clarified it #critlib https://twitter.com/catladylib/status/884941668700405760 …
- I read this as “in house cardigans” (which is also a problem) #critlib https://twitter.com/jeninthelib/status/884942858364518401 …
- @christinemmoe A1: don't move around a lot...don't shift educational paths...don't dabble in different librarianships...don't take time off...#critlib
- You mean requiring years of experience for EL jobs isn't cool? #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884943421743431684 …
- @aliversluis also not considering customer service/retail/other jobs as "experience" towards librarianship. #critlib
- A1. Also check out #academicableism and #academiaisableist for more common "fit" expectations #critlib
- @catladylib During "casual" job interview lunches, I have 2 remember 2 follow food customs that I dont follow daily basis. It's just expected. #critlib
- @brinepond I don't think it reads as rude or bad. But I say this as someone who gets their name mispronounced ALL THE DAMN TIME. #critlib
- @beccakatharine SO NOT COOL! #critlib
- Seriously. This is a huge barrier, especially for those jobs where people can learn once on the job! #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884943787516076032 …
- @aliversluis i really really appreciate when they ask first instead of me being all interrupt-y #critlib
- @ForgetTheMaine Yes, so true! Don't, you know, gain various experiences... #critlib
- As someone who has served on MANY cmtes, we don't get trained on what is/isn't legal #critlib https://twitter.com/CritLib_anon/status/884943882466807809 …
- @catladylib My favourite tactic in hiring committee meetings when this comes up is to be like "what do you mean by fit?" #critlib
- Thank you for sharing this! So important to understand. #critlib https://twitter.com/akaur0/status/884943958870249472 …
- A1 cont'd #critlib And I've stood up for serving a range of people by having as wide a range as possible on staff. https://twitter.com/lisahubbell/status/884944108678111232 …
- People often can't come up with a way to explain it, sense that they are wrong, and back off. Of course, ymmv. #critlib https://twitter.com/aliversluis/status/884944383983923201 …
- i always feel "unprofessional" mainly b/c i'm from a working class background and other ppl's anti-fat bias #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884942662398205953 …
- @GinaMurrell1 I wish LIS had taught us that public library jobs often require a driver's license, instead of assuming all of us drive. #critlib
- A1 Also, where are we posting job ads? Job sites for “traditional” librarians #critlib https://twitter.com/marvellings/status/884944668324233218 …
- @kevinseeber @ForgetTheMaine @christinemmoe And whatever you do, don't you dare have any mental illnesses or disabilities. #critlib
- @ForgetTheMaine more diverse search committees, less formal interviews, more casual/open conversations, stop reading q's from a sheet. #critlib
- @aliversluis Or asking where certain "ethnic" name comes from during job interviews! It's a way to find out info that shouldn't be discussed. #critlib
- i had a phone interview last week that was an hour long and was ENTIRELY sheet-reading. it was exhausting #critlib https://twitter.com/courtums/status/884945044523945984 …
- Be explicit w/the committee about setting tone for search & going off of what candidate brings to application & interview. #critlib https://twitter.com/forgetthemaine/status/884944200529137664 …
- This is a great point--I teach how to read job ads in academic librarianship, haven't seen the same decryption for public lib ads #critlib https://twitter.com/lisahubbell/status/884945011199983616 …
- @lisahubbell And considering what many #libraryjobs pay, #librarians often can't afford both housing AND a car. #critlib
- @ForgetTheMaine start considering those without library experience but heavy customer service experience. #critlib
- A2. Pay for travel expenses up front. *glares at HR* #critlib https://twitter.com/ForgetTheMaine/status/884944200529137664 …
- @chiuchiutrain "Fit" is often used as an excuse for hiring comfortable candidate you wanted all along instead of candidate who is different #critlib
- Don't make it weird by bringing up offhand personal anecdotes from candidate lunch or dinner & hold it against them. #critlib https://twitter.com/forgetthemaine/status/884944200529137664 …
- I think this is changing a bit: less on ALA Joblist and more on Twitter/regional sites/FB. Still silos, though #critlib https://twitter.com/katkimbell/status/884945019962105856 …
- And eat foods way outside of what I typically eat #critlib https://twitter.com/akaur0/status/884943958870249472 …
- I feel the working class background thing hard. My staff is very homogenous class-wise, it makes it tough to be their boss at times #critlib https://twitter.com/brinepond/status/884944894812450816 …
- Understand that not everyone has privilege to do free labor aka internships & committee work. #critlib https://twitter.com/forgetthemaine/status/884944200529137664 …
- Don't make it weird by bringing up offhand personal anecdotes from candidate lunch or dinner & hold it against them. #critlib https://twitter.com/forgetthemaine/status/884944200529137664 …
- Can I subtweet most of the Australian library industry here #critlib https://twitter.com/catladylib/status/884941668700405760 …
- Pay up front for travel expenses. Not everyone can afford to pay hundreds of dollars for flights and get reimbursed months later. #critlib https://twitter.com/ForgetTheMaine/status/884944200529137664 …
- A1 Yes, this, which IME can happen in other acad depts at colleges/unis too, sigh. #critlib https://twitter.com/arellanover/status/884945117198594050 …
- Yes, this is rough!! #critlib https://twitter.com/arellanover/status/884946018265116673 …
- 💯 this. It's uncomfortable, not a good indicator of skills, and requires a certain level of privilege to even make happen. #critlib https://twitter.com/brinepond/status/884945845048750084 …
- A2. Look for/value experience outside of librarianship & which can be an asset to #libraries, such as customer service skills. #critlib https://twitter.com/ForgetTheMaine/status/884944200529137664 …
- #TreasonAQuote , Ken Rosenthal , #OnTourWith , #critlib , Rod Carew , #TheFosters , Joe Scarborough , #BelowDeckMed
- A2. In the past I've handed out readings after a committee member told us they "know whether/not someone's right w/in 1st 5 min" #critlib https://twitter.com/ForgetTheMaine/status/884944200529137664 …
- @jinglefrisbee Haha go for it! Would like to learn about this from an international perspective. #critlib
- post your salaries AND make them fair for the area, don't give me $30k in NYC #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884946127564546072 …
- @AprilMuses Yes, THIS. I think "fit" should be definied in terms of who the library serves, not who runs it. #critlib
- A2. Yes! As someone who needs time to process, printed Qs are so helpful #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884946008953593856 …
- Gonna look at #critlib from the sidelines tonight and join the convo at a later date. pic.twitter.com/kwo82Rr6dJ
- @marvellings This is sadly not possible in unionized environments #critlib
- But I think it’s our responsibility when hiring to help spread word abt positions by posting in various places, way to up reach #critlib https://twitter.com/JenniLBurke/status/884946172338634753 …
- @aliversluis I've had to ask for extra info to prep for past interviews and felt really anxious/embarrassed. Why do I have to ask these things? #critlib
- @aliversluis Doesn't this also represent ableism and neurotypical privilege? #critlib
- @Anitalifedotcom Right, but many orgs that specify an MLIS even when they don't need to. Makes it hard to sort out "worth applying to" vs. "not" #critlib
- @arellanover Travel costs can also prohibit out-of-work #librarians from traveling for interviews. #critlib
- And don't play that horrible mind game where you ask candidates what their target salary is (or what they currently make). #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884946127564546072 …
Last King From Allah, Naser Mohammad Al-Yamani http://the-greatnews.com #critlib #Eddie_Hearn #ndpldr #AAMT2017 #Renzi pic.twitter.com/6kqFnLQT1E- @arellanover I am missing two days of work ($$) for an interview...but they are paying to fly me out #critlib
- @christinemmoe @aliversluis It's definitely not good for the neurodiverse. Hoping my research in this area helps raise awareness #critlib
- @modbrarian When I was on COSWL we pushed an ALA policy to include salary in ALA job ads: 54. still there. ignored. #critlib http://ala-apa.org/about-ala-apa/governing-documents/ala-apa-salaries-and-status-related-policies/ …
- Yes! I'd add that committees think hard about EVERY part of the interview. #critlib https://twitter.com/arellanover/status/884946498714296320 …
- @werstgerl @arellanover I had to miss three days for mine. Luckily I had the vacation time. #critlib
- A2 And if ur stuck w/an automated system see if you can work around it, e.g. include link in job ad to union's website w/salaries. #critlib https://twitter.com/beccakatharine/status/884946906182557696 …
- And water. Seriously...it is simple but so important. #critlib https://twitter.com/laurabrarian/status/884947809576812545 …
- @ForgetTheMaine and lets just completely ignore the fact that not all people have the same learning style, therefore impacting interview results. #critlib
- @kevinseeber I don't know about choosing, esp if you don't know the area. But I like getting asked what my preferences are. #critlib
- @AndrewJCano @christinemmoe @aliversluis If the job is cross-cutting departments, meeting various people is good. You can still make it more accessible though. #critlib
- @brinepond We don't have these kinds of interviews in Australia! Seems weird, and a waste of everyone's time? How/why are these a thing in US? #critlib
- I remember that and had such hopes. Railing against all ads that don't list salaries #critlib https://twitter.com/klmccook/status/884947681407315968 …
- YES!! And SUPER exhausting! Breaks, water, and quiet time can help. #critlib https://twitter.com/arellanover/status/884948169943076864 …
- @AndrewJCano @christinemmoe @aliversluis Offer plenty of breaks. Give the schedule ahead of time. Provide refreshments. #critlib
- @jinglefrisbee i think at least for academic librarians it's indicative of academic hiring as a whole #critlib
- @jinglefrisbee @brinepond sometimes academia interview can be 2-2.5 days long in the states. depends on institution. #CritLib
- @livie_leigh YES! Ask if the candidate prefers more frequent breaks or is better at some times of the day. #critlib
- A3 I’ve been on the receiving end #critlib https://twitter.com/jeninthelib/status/884948499816734720 …
- @catladylib Not sure about larger organisations, but having worked for only small libs in Aus, the hiring for "fit" thing is a problem here too #critlib
- @katkimbell Meee too. It's not fun & honestly can make someone reconsider ur whole org (and rightfully so). #critlib
- A3 Don't job search alone. Lean on friends for support. They will remind u how valuable&competent u are when you feel anything but. #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884946884779003904 …
- A2: so much of this. Also so cands can figure out early on if the job is for them / they have the time for the selection process. #critlib https://twitter.com/aliversluis/status/884945581852033024 …
- @kevinseeber This is literally number ONE for me. So real, and so much stigma. #critlib
- The two sentence email after a campus interview is THE WORST. #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884948848954748928 …
- Yes, this! providing questions and giving introverts a break often is helpful. #critlib https://twitter.com/arellanover/status/884948169943076864 …
- @christinemmoe yes, because there never is a reason why beyond "we liked someone else more." #critlib
- @jinglefrisbee @brinepond Interview length culture depends on type of library too. Longest in academic libraries, I think. #critlib
- i always ask about time frames in interviews and i get "we don't know" way more often than you'd think #critlib https://twitter.com/marvellings/status/884948959252402177 …
- @mnkellner I actually do not want a phone call if I didn't get a job. But that may just be my aversion to disappointment AND phones! #critlib
- @modbrarian @brinepond wow unreal, that sounds horrible and hmmm like an abuse of employer power to me #critlib
- Mentor, mentor, mentor (& provide honesty, support, and experience) #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884949126860873728 …
- A3: Having empathy & supporting ppl who are looking for jobs is important. Job searching can be depressing AF. #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884946884779003904 …
- A2 THIS times infinity, esp. for tenure-track acad lib jobs we need ways for early career folx to be hired in all parts of the lib #critlib https://twitter.com/arellanover/status/884948755446988802 …
- @laurabrarian We don't have all-gender restrooms in our newly renovated building. We even had to complain abt wheelchair access! Door too heavy! #critlib
- A4. Offer to look at resumes, cover letters with a critical eye. Offer to be a reference. Offer to do practice interviews. #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884949126860873728 …
- HR has become so bad at this in the last decade or so: used to be much better/more responsive (and personal) #critlib https://twitter.com/arellanover/status/884949212508692482 …
- @EamonTewell @beccakatharine I experienced this-it really made a difference to me! Seeing many depts together gives a better idea of library atmosphere. #critlib
- Consider not having SO many people interacting w/ candidate in interview sessions. Overwhelming, lots of names to remember. #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884946884779003904 …
- @kevinseeber do you mean helping candidates who come to your library or mentoring colleagues who are looking to move on? #critlib
- @WalterSchlect I'm an emerging technologies librarian, & I expressed concern about exactly that when I took the job. #critlib
- A3: buy your peers lunch and listen to them if they're struggling to survive. Check in regularly. #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884946884779003904 …
- Interview protip: Take every single bathroom break they offer you. No one is paying attention and you can collect yourself. #critlib https://twitter.com/beastlibrarian/status/884949430444539904 …
- My best interviews included getting this info from recent hires who were asked to advise on this/moving info. Very helpful! #critlib https://twitter.com/kristamccracken/status/884949200311660544 …
- @arellanover i have, like ZERO teaching experience so it feels like these entry-level jobs are automatically out of reach #critlib
- Yes, this! Offer to listen, too. #critlib https://twitter.com/violetbfox/status/884949786314649600 …
- Yes, also don't make them find out they weren't successful by an announcement on your Lib* home page...yes, this happened. #critlib https://twitter.com/aliversluis/status/884949596912451584 …
- A3: Make clear to candidate why they are meeting the people they're meeting that day. Not always straightforward, esp. if numerous. #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884946884779003904 …
- @kevinseeber At the very least, reapply deodorant. #critlib
- A3. I don't teach LIS but find myself offering coaching to job-seeking grad students aren't getting it from their profs #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884946884779003904 …
- Good question--both! #critlib https://twitter.com/laurabrarian/status/884949918212861953 …
- hey #critlib tuning in late because I'm also watching the #AllStarGame ⚾️early career academic librarian in Michigan
- This is why I'd really encourage making asking about accommodations a regular duty for the interviewers. #critlib https://twitter.com/schomj/status/884947147258507264 …
- A4 all your exp outside of libs is valuable - just needs to be well articulated to job opportunity at hand. folks can help w this. #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884949126860873728 …
- A3: Widespread ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that it is an emotional process for BOTH the candidate AND the interviewer. #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884946884779003904 …
- @metageeky Check for stuff in your teeth. Lint roll as necessary. #critlib
- A4: Share your own application materials, provide feedback, serve as a reference if you can. #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884949126860873728 …
- A3 but if you are on search or interviewing committee, do not also take bathroom break in stall next to candidate #critlib https://twitter.com/beastlibrarian/status/884949430444539904 …
- And PLEASE don't make candidates ask for a bathroom break. Also, know where the bathrooms are! #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884950061213339648 …
- @kevinseeber just BE there for them. put aside the bs library drama/politics and just be an ear for them (or shoulder). #critlib
- @livie_leigh @catladylib "Polite eating" also varies throughout the US and amongst families. #critlib
- @aliversluis It was pretty demoralizing! But it made me realize that empathy and transparency throughout the process is important! #critlib
- This is important for lots of reasons, esp. considering the microaggressions candidates will be dealing with #critlib https://twitter.com/arellanover/status/884948169943076864 …
- @jeninthelib Another interview, manager took me outside at end, pointed vaguely in one direction, said you can find cabs a few blocks over, bye! #critlib
- @violetbfox YES. Also, be willing to test run the job talk. #critlib
- @A_meeksie Totally get that! Everyone has preferred communication.In my case the news that I didn't get the job was softened by a phone call. #critlib
- I'd love to see anon. space in apps for feedback about how the form could be improved-some apps are confusing and insensitive #critlib https://twitter.com/perry180/status/884949289440620545 …
- This.👇👇👇 Creating a clear, concrete job description benefits candidate, committee, library. #critlib https://twitter.com/walterschlect/status/884947759585009664 …
- if the majority of entry level jobs are in teaching & outreach, it implies you don't need experience to teach. teaching is hard.+ #critlib https://twitter.com/mauraweb/status/884949617867202561 …
- @violetbfox the most relieving to hear sometimes as an adult is "i have no idea what I am doing" from someone when you feel that way too. #critlib
- @catladylib See this in higher ed a lot. Tout diverse student body while staff is cookie cutter. #critlib
- @kevinseeber check in on them, offer coffee dates. ask them how stuff outside of their library lives is going. applying for jobs is exhausting. #critlib
- A4: Tell the search committee in your cover letter WHY you want to work for the library. It really does go a long way. #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884949126860873728 …
- @graceahaynes Good to meet you! I'm another Michigan librarian #critlib
- @modbrarian Don't assume that lunch meetings with minorities in the library will make minority candidates feel at home. We're all not the same #critlib
- Please don't schedule the job talk in the afternoon, fronting it / important a.m. interviews, making candidate even more anxious. #critlib https://twitter.com/ForgetTheMaine/status/884944200529137664 …
- A3. Shoutout to @kevinseeber for doing ALL THE THINGS for me! He offered perspective, read CV & CLs, was a reference, wrote letters #critlib pic.twitter.com/cgxEOA1tp8
- Omg. Yes. I've asked before and it took the person by surprise. You know YOU wanted this when you were applying. #critlib https://twitter.com/aliversluis/status/884949596912451584 …
- This is like half my job seeking anxiety #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884946816453574656 …
- A4 Share expertise or facilitate it, like this list of LIS job advice contacts @aliversluis is organizing! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LtU5FkkwOkNiImvJcFAh8ztZKZ72_8RTE97I8qoTHjQ/edit … #critlib
- A4: Also INCLUDE A COVER LETTER, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Nothing kicks a candidate out faster than not having one. #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884949126860873728 …
Last King From Allah, Naser Mohammad Al-Yamani http://the-greatnews.com #Nedim_Şener #Пентагона #Mosul #critlib pic.twitter.com/Tc462WwNup- Yes! Or loan a suit / jacket. That stuff is expensive! #critlib https://twitter.com/ginamurrell1/status/884950796252479488 …
- Q4 help job seekers work thru how their out of lib exp is valuable.Incredible how blind we are to our own achievements &experience! #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884949126860873728 …
- Yes! And do this proactively, without being asked. Lots of folks are too shy to do the initial ask. #critlib https://twitter.com/chiuchiutrain/status/884950559299698692 …
- @kevinseeber Yes. I give friends pouches with bandaids, antacid, floss, etc. before an interview. You have to be comfortable, take care. #critlib
- And 15 minutes before the for-some-reason-always-required presentation is NOT a break; that's setup & freak-out time. REAL breaks. #critlib https://twitter.com/jeninthelib/status/884947965261074432 …
- @MattieT650 @catladylib Ex: Do you eat a sandwich with your hands or with a fork and knife? The answer varies amongst families throughout the US. #critlib
- Yes, please share and/or add your name! #critlib https://twitter.com/EamonTewell/status/884951344519446532 …
- @A_meeksie @mnkellner Same! I'd much prefer a rejection email to a rejection phone call, and if it's not a form email then even better 👍 #critlib
- @werstgerl Sometimes it happens bc library wants as many people to have exposure to candidate. But it's not a caring stance toward candidate. #critlib
- YES. Listen to your mentees and try not to crush our spirits with your 'this is just how it is' mentality. #critlib https://twitter.com/beccakatharine/status/884949510560116736 …
- A4 experienced ppl can offer to read cover letters for style too - there are many cover letter cultures. Long? Short? Effusive? #critlib https://twitter.com/CityThatReads/status/884950569252737024 …
- @brinepond We have been DRASTICALLY overhauling our hiring process to make more inclusive, comfortable, engaging, fun, and less stressful #critlib
- @CritLib_anon Professional organizations & MLS programs need to work on this!!! Take action and not just talk about it. #critlib
- I feel like we’ve moved to 30 mins, plus someone arrives early to get tech setup so everything is good to go when candidate arrives #critlib https://twitter.com/parody_bit/status/884951520973922304 …
- @brinepond One cool thing we did was lightning rounds so candidate has brief presentation & sees our highlights, too. More fun, less stress #critlib
- @pfanderson @brinepond You need to make sure the changes to the process trickle down to everyone. While a hiring cmte might know, other employees may not #critlib
- @AndrewJCano @christinemmoe @aliversluis Agree we should mod interviews, but also offering a clear and private option for accommodation important too. #critlib
- A4. this. listen & let people vent w/out offering solutions or strategies. just say, "man, that's fucked up & you are brave" #critlib https://twitter.com/aliversluis/status/884951162381795328 …
- @ForgetTheMaine Hire w/intention to help employee develop into the role, given salaries are so bad rn. Or be prepared to pony up for the talent #critlib
- A5: Know that the 1st year is really tough but if you reach out for help, people will be there to support you.#critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- A1 If you have a largely cis, hetero, white, able-bodied workforce, fit generally means how well you align with/perform to that. #critlib https://twitter.com/catladylib/status/884941668700405760 …
- Empathy. Is. Key. #critlib just b/c you survived doesn't mean it's easy for the next person, or that they should have 2 suffer as you did... https://twitter.com/catladylib/status/884949528599699456 …
- This is so sweet and thoughtful ❤️#critlib https://twitter.com/megwacha/status/884951507002589184 …
- And have someone on hand to handle technical issues! This should never be on the candidate #critlib https://twitter.com/parody_bit/status/884951520973922304 …
- Offer CV & cover letter critiques, do mock interviews (phone & in person), give job talk feedback, mentor, coach, listen, support. #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884949126860873728 …
- A5: be proactive and schedule meetings and tours of campus spots to meet people. Helps to understand org culture by meeting folks. #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- PSA: Gonna make this easier to use / navigate very good, but the foundation is there so feel free to add yo self! #critlib https://twitter.com/EamonTewell/status/884951344519446532 …
- A4. Oof. Mixed feelings about this. "Volunteers" who need work experience often require a lot of unpaid labor #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884949126860873728 …
- Yes, reflection and practice can help you feel more confident. #critlib https://twitter.com/beastlibrarian/status/884952431947259904 …
- @metageeky @brinepond Agree. I know they made a lot of changes, but I only know about the parts I was involved with. #critlib
- A5: something is wrong with you if you don't cry at least once in your first year. Wait, just me? #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- A5. Be persistent. Keep an open mind. Know you can always change your mind. Connect with other lib students/pros for support. #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- @christianlamb @A_meeksie Give candidates personalized notifications, whichever form it might take. Show that their interest in position was appreciated, etc #critlib
- A5: Build yr community of "frientors" to help guide you through the process & no question is a bad question, ex: interview attire #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- @catladylib Definitely not just you! I cried A LOT my first year. #critlib
- @christinemmoe I got my first job through volunteering for a library committee (s/o to @OCULA_OLA). #critlib
- A5. Allow yourself time to adjust to the search, & then new job. I had to move to new city & it has been rough on my mental health #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- A1: I deal a lot with "will this person fit in" with the people who have been there 20+ years when our community was less diverse. #critlib https://twitter.com/catladylib/status/884941668700405760 …
- Agreed--one reason I stepped out of libraries, to make MLIS experience better/more applicable to real life #critlib https://twitter.com/werstgerl/status/884951756408532992 …
- Juggling my tweets between the #AllStarGame and the #critlib discussion. Interesting cross section
- @AndrewJCano @christinemmoe @aliversluis But what does this look like in practice w/o forcing folks to disclose? hope HR is on top of this. Would be curious to learn more. #critlib
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- Agreed. The most helpful folx were those who emailed me directly to say 'you should apply for this job and I will be a reference!' #critlib https://twitter.com/violetbfox/status/884949786314649600 …
- it is a deeply felt & meaningful response, yet also appropriate for so many situations #critlib https://twitter.com/beccakatharine/status/884952599216226305 …
- A5 took me 5 yrs post-MLS to get 1st full-time, permanent, prof-level lib position. Sometimes path isn’t trad for everyone #critlib https://twitter.com/GinaMurrell1/status/884952700634316800 …
- If our profession developed a proactive pipeline for interested non-MLIS-havin' staff, that would be a huge step in the right dir. #critlib https://twitter.com/jeninthelib/status/884942858364518401 …
- A5. Be kind to yourself, reflect on how you're learning and growing, celebrate the little things, reach for big things #clichetweet #critlib
- A1: "Fit" has come to mean "fits in with the other staff" when really, a staff should reflect the community, NOT each other. #critlib https://twitter.com/catladylib/status/884941668700405760 …
- Don't take 1st job offered to you just bc you're afraid you won't get another offer. Can you see urself growing there? If not, run. #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- Even tho I'm not always great at this: ask lots of Qs, listen closely, go to coffee/tea w/ new colleagues, *learn* your new org. #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- @metageeky The day after an interview, I went back in jeans & sweatshirt to explore. No one recognized me, got great feel for the place. #critlib
- @phoebe_ayers Yes. Sometimes, a cover letter needs to be longer than a page. #critlib
- SO MUCH THIS! Give yourself time to learn, stabilize, adjust to so much new (job, geography, people etc.) #critlib https://twitter.com/jeninthelib/status/884952997922516992 …
- YES YES YES - learning & development need to be supported as core part of the job, not optional add-on to be done on weekends, etc. #critlib https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/884950079345274880 …
- @christinemmoe A5. Just. Keep. Applying! Also check the private FB MLIS job board I created to find unique opportunities: https://m.facebook.com/groups/115262448979484 … #critlib
- @livie_leigh @beccakatharine I invited all libns & staff to job talks but only a couple outside of search committee showed *shrug*--glad it worked out for you! #critlib
- @christinemmoe A5: NEGOTIATE! I am so thankful I took a workshop in that because it's terrifying but doable #critlib
- This is a really hard one for lots of folks, and turning down isn't always an option, but if you can run, do. Avoid toxicity. #critlib https://twitter.com/thelizbrarian/status/884953369491722241 …
- Yes! As search comm member, # of yrs experience is not my first focus #critlib https://twitter.com/CityThatReads/status/884953450827698176 …
- I cannot second this hard enough. #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884953868223643648 …
- Agreed. I tell ppl you are interviewing them as much as they are interviewing u. My fav ?: why would someone want to work here? #critlib https://twitter.com/aliversluis/status/884953238407176192 …
- @metageeky /pout. Easy question? Oh, alright. Thanks for idea, I usually thrive on difficult questions. #critlib
- This is a timely and awesome #critlib conversation since it's hiring season! Thank you all for this. <3 I have to run <3 pic.twitter.com/Dnp0xbF2lX
- A5: Every job search is different. Keep applying! Being declined for one position doesn't mean that you're out for the others. #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- A2. All search committees should have staff. Also, before you post, CONSIDER THE QUALIFICATIONS (ESP YRS OF EXP). #critlib https://twitter.com/ForgetTheMaine/status/884944200529137664 …
- Q5 Research the hell out of where you apply to and ask around. You're interviewing them too. Ask LOTS of questions incl hard ones #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- And put those ideas in the cover letter! #critlib https://twitter.com/chelseaheinbach/status/884953959839838208 …
- @EamonTewell @livie_leigh @beccakatharine MIT Libraries is really good at inviting everyone to job talks & ppl show up, I've learned a lot from attending incl as paraprof! #critlib
- @pfanderson Keep in mind this is a person nervous about applying for a job and may not have all mental resources ready. #critlib
- Keep up those information interviews w/ librarians who hold positions you're keen to learn more about. Keep deconstructing job ads. #critlib https://twitter.com/christinemmoe/status/884951706383122432 …
- This was one of the most important things my mentor told me. The interview works both ways. Ask about the things that matter to you #critlib https://twitter.com/beastlibrarian/status/884954315038703616 …
- Same. Twice! In current job and previous job. Also hired to be a Schol Commie with very little *actual* schol com exp. #critlib https://twitter.com/jeninthelib/status/884954098096910336 …
- Why not ask, 'how would you like to hear about this?' Then honor that info. #critlib https://twitter.com/mnkellner/status/884951083935780864 …
- @kevinseeber Yeah, if you're out of a job and need a job, take that first job offer. Sometimes, you really have to be practical. #critlib
- @literal_narwhal It's so ridiculous how hard it is to find true entry-level positions. Entry-level salaries with mid-career requirements is gross #critlib
- A3 I mean, basically what @kevinseeber said. #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884946884779003904 …
- Winding down after a looooong day, must. go. to. bed. Thanks for the chat #critlib! pic.twitter.com/1ieGkl8Ei6
- @thelizbrarian but my bills…lol #critlib
- Just ask! Just ask! Just ask! (For all the things!) #critlib https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/884951147563294720 …
- Yes! Having customer service background really does help me in my job, but I know some folks don't get that w/o parallels explained #critlib https://twitter.com/beastlibrarian/status/884950541607907330 …
- @metageeky Truth. One yr on bring-yr-daughter-to-work-day, my DD sketched an interview as mouse at table of sharks. Hiree sd, YES! THAT! #critlib
- @catladylib Be aware that candidates have been schooled in crit lib & may challenge prevailing perceptions of your institution in interview #critlib
- @aamcnamara @EamonTewell @livie_leigh @beccakatharine People showed up at U. of Calif too. But at MIT I <3 culture of "Job searches take priority over all but most essential work." #critlib
- Q4 Echoing everyone who has said: read resumes/CVs, work to get ppl paid internships/job opps, serve as a ref, be a sounding board. #critlib https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884949126860873728 …
- A5 I like stories. Walk me through an experience, your thoughts/feelings, outcome, - as search comm mem, I will remember! #critlib https://twitter.com/lisahubbell/status/884954493871308801 …
- I would do a job search depression zine #critlib https://twitter.com/modbrarian/status/884954670078283776 …
- @metageeky I like to give them a question that is not obviously easy, but which gives them an opportunity to shine. #critlib
- @pfanderson Yeah, that's what I meant. Easy as in helps them but isn't a waste of question time either. #critlib
- @brinepond Sorry. It has only happened once or twice to me, but everyone deserves to be approached and thought of in this way. #critlib
- Fantastic chat! Thanks for moderating @modbrarian @christinemmoe @ForgetTheMaine @catladylib #critlib
- YES. I negotiated my salary for my first real job. Terrifying but I got close to what I wanted. #critlib #knowyourworth #youareworthit https://twitter.com/emmz4238/status/884953857842978816 …
- Srsly, @rebeccadue's job board was everything for my job search. 🙌🙌🙌 #critlib https://twitter.com/rebeccadue/status/884953684546920448 …
- @parody_bit Job postings for unicorns are often actually written for internal candidates but required to post nationally. Lrned the hard way #critlib
- My #critlib pitch is that you educate yourself and your library users about #netneutrality and #NetNeutralityDay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Action_to_Save_Net_Neutrality …
- Yes, and vice versa, do not be afraid to treat the job interview as a two-way street. You are interviewing them too. #critlib https://twitter.com/parody_bit/status/884955359663751171 …
- For you #critlib-ers who want to help w/ resumes/job apps/interviews/mentorship stuff, please consider submitting: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LtU5FkkwOkNiImvJcFAh8ztZKZ72_8RTE97I8qoTHjQ/edit?usp=sharing …
- Shoutout to my co-mod's @christinemmoe, @modbrarian, @ForgetTheMaine, and @kevinseeber for a solid #critlib chat!!
- I would love more US perspectives, and there are some (many) sectors that need to get populated. Feel free to add categories too! #critlib https://twitter.com/aliversluis/status/884955949018079232 …
- @edrabinski Yes. We need to talk about this more as a community. It's just not a skillset I have. #critlib
- Thanks for participating in tonight's #critlib chat everyone! I'll get cracking on the Storify. #keepingtheminutes
- @pfanderson Sometimes! But, just as often, they're not for a particular person; they are just a sign of a lack of prioritization or direction. #critlib
- @WalterSchlect Not only agree, but strongly encourage this. Definitely do practice presentations. Helps build confidence, more fluid style. #critlib
- And special thanks to my co-moderators @modbrarian, @catladylib, @ForgetTheMaine, and @kevinseeber for making this happen! #critlib
- Great #critlib tonight, thanks everyone and esp to the rad mods team @kevinseeber @catladylib @ForgetTheMaine @modbrarian @christinemmoe !
- And on top of this, think about what it is really feasible time-wise for that new coworker to get done within parameters of the job #critlib https://twitter.com/parody_bit/status/884954814249152512 …
- @jeninthelib Yes!! Ppl should not be afraid to apply to science & eng jobs. Most of us have no sci bckgnd; you just learn the jargon. #critlib
- @parody_bit List more in the preferred qualifications & find the candidate with the right mix of basic and preferred…?#critlib
- The Freeze , #critlib , #DonJrChildrensBooks , Alphonso Davies , #AllStarGame , Jonathan Schoop , Salvador Perez
- Submitted! Available to support for whatever, but esp interested in helping negotiate salaries #critlib https://twitter.com/aliversluis/status/884955949018079232 …
- @MattieT650 Asking people to write a talk just for your organization is exploitative, or at least disrespectful of candidates' time. #critlib
- @klthoreson @AndrewJCano @christinemmoe @aliversluis This is why I recommend being proactive and having the interview committee ask directly. Try to "normalize" the flexibility. #critlib
- @beastlibrarian What if u're not sure ur narrative will be welcomed fully? Some things I take the most pride in make me a 'difficult' cand 4 jobs.. #critlib
- @MattieT650 It's DOUBLY harmful when it's required even for non-public-speaking positions. #critlib
- Share things like this, please! We're all only human. #critlib https://twitter.com/catladylib/status/884952676198260736 …
- I have found the most enthusiastic support from those also looking for or newly hired to jobs. #critlib https://twitter.com/jennilburke/status/884953694202195968 …
- @anotherround's signoff is relevant. Drink some water, take your meds, call your person. #critlib https://twitter.com/klthoreson/status/884958290261807104 …
- @edrabinski sharing your salary information with colleagues is important too as is giving a step up to those behind #critlib
- @MargaretJanz @jeninthelib @ScottMLibrary Yes, same. I'm an engineering librarian - engineering libship is great - but have also done physics etc. #critlib
- For anyone who missed tonight's #critlib chat, the Storify will be coming soon. https://twitter.com/kevinseeber/status/884956405408477184 …
- @edrabinski whispers of colleagues that negotiated salary bumps and release time really strains solidarity/morale - happening a lot #critlib
- @parody_bit @MattieT650 I don't know that I'd agree with that if it's a position where you're expected to present publicly as a part of the position. #critlib
- @tessawithorn @thelizbrarian My lease is up at the end of july...interview on monday....let's see what happens...I'm tired of playing the game #critlib
- @aliversluis @parody_bit Agree - writing refs or letters of rec for further ed, scholarships, conf funding etc is one of my favorite things to do #critlib
- @rrkennison @edrabinski more likely in higher ed these days, that everyone is equally bailing the leaky boat, seriously rocked by admin waves #critlib
- @edrabinski I never left MPOW but I have had 3 diff jobs (all of which were each closer to my prof goals). I'm now in the one I wanted so eek? #critlib
- @parody_bit @MattieT650 I do think that search comms shld give a prompt that's broad enough that you could recycle a bit. But I am fine with asking for 1. #critlib
