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2016/08/23 #critlib chat: Wikipedia & #critlib

Storify of the #critlib chat from 8/23/2016 on Wikipedia & #critlib, moderated by @oksveta, @fiiidget and @nora_almeida. For more information about #critlib, including past & future chats, see http://critlib.org

  1. [Borrowing from @oksveta's disclaimer: I attempted to include all of the relevant tweets from the chat and put them together. Retweets, favorites, & tweets without the hashtag are omitted on purpose. Misreadings and all other mistakes are all my own.]

  2. Readings

  3. McCook, K. D. L. P. (2014). Librarians as Wikipedians: From library history to “Librarianship and Human Rights” (pdf). Progressive Librarian, 42, 61-81.
  4. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    <1hr til #critlib + #Wikipedia, Qs & readings here:  http://critlib.org/wikipedia-critlib/ … & relevant new piece by @bfister here:  https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/library-babel-fish/woes-wikipedia …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 00:09:00

  5. Introductions!

  6. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    OK, #critlib! Tonight we’re talking about #Wikipedia & LIS! But let’s start with intros: I’m Sarah, an LIS PhD student co-modding w @oksveta
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:00:01
  7. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    I’ll have the first 2 Qs, and @oksveta will do the final 3, but you can see them all at  http://critlib.org/wikipedia-critlib/ … #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:00:42
  8. ginamshelton
    Gina Shelton@ginamshelton
    Hi! Gina from NY. Academic librarian and Wikipedian. First #critlib chat ever. Thanks for the topic @fiiidget :)
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:01:34
  9. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @ginamshelton thanks for helping to get me started on wikipedia!! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:02:16
  10. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    Hi, #critlib! I'm Megan, ScholComm LIbrarian at CUNY and board member of @WikimediaNYC
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:01:52
  11. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    Confession: I set set the date and ordered the refreshments for my first edit-a-thon in 2012. THEN I taught myself how to edit. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:06:01
  12. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    Since then, I've continued to teach editing via edit-a-thons & course assignments and have slowly moved into more of a support role #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:07:29
  13. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    I have heard more than one librarian make this confession! #critlib  https://twitter.com/megwacha/status/768252990985736192 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:06:38
  14. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    Confession: I started editing #Wikipedia because I was POed about the gender gap. Now it's fun, humbling, enriching. I found my ppl #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:10:20
  15. Rweenie
    Arlene Haessler@Rweenie
    I learn best by teaching...if I want to learn wiki editing guess I'll be teaching it #critlib  https://twitter.com/megwacha/status/768252990985736192 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:14:51
  16. diannelibrarian
    Dianne@diannelibrarian
    Hi #critlib, Dianne, social science R&I librarian. Looking forward!
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:02:17
  17. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    Hi #critlib -- it's been awhile! I'm a humanities liaison at the University of Hawaiʻi-Mānoa & ur friendly co-mod.  https://twitter.com/fiiidget/status/768251655502630913 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:02:19
  18. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    Hi #critlib, I'm an academic cataloger in the middle of Minnesota. I'm also an occasional Wikipedia editor.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:02:29
  19. kcrowe
    Kate Crowe@kcrowe
    hey #critlib I'm an academic archivist/curator type person @UofDenver!
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:03:14
  20. KaraKaraPW
    Kara Plamann Wagoner@KaraKaraPW
    Hi #critlib, I'm a reference librarian at Kapiʻolani Community College and also an occasional Wikipedia contributor...
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:03:31
  21. GinaMurrell1
    Gina Murrell@GinaMurrell1
    Hi, I'm Gina, library job seeker & freelance proofreader/copy editor participating in tonight's #critlib from Eugene, Oregon. #westcoast
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:04:18
  22. aboutness
    Tina Gross@aboutness
    Hi #critlib. I'm an academic library cataloger in St. Cloud, MN. Very, very occasional Wikipedia editor (maybe five times ever?).
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:05:12
  23. librarianmegs
    Meghan Dowell@librarianmegs
    Hi #critlib, I'm an academic librarian and will be lurking during the night shift.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:05:36
  24. socaldesi
    gayatri singh@socaldesi
    #critlib hola, I'm an academic librarian who has helped host a few wikipedia edit-a-thons
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:05:41
  25. nawalani
    Nicole Nawalaniec@nawalani
    Howdy #critlib! This is my first lurk/chat. Science librarian @ Tufts
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:06:26
  26. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    hello #critlib ! I'm a humanities librarian at Queens College, CUNY
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:07:21
  27. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    health sciences librarian who teaches medical students information literacy in the guise of "evidence-based medicine" in Hershey PA #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:07:58
  28. msmendezbrady
    Marisa Mendez-Brady@msmendezbrady
    Hi #critlib I am an academic librarian, hosting her first ever Wikipedia edit-a-thon this upcoming year! Thanks for the great topic
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:08:19
  29. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    Hi #critlib! Lurking tonight! Only know Wikipedia as a user, excited to learn what ppl are doing as WP builders/makers!
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:10:03
  30. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    #critlib, late to the party! Faculty at "school of information" and infrequent but enthusiastic Wikipedian!!
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:10:07
  31. BohVik
    FlaPubLibGuy@BohVik
    I'm a LIS Grad Student at USF & have used WP forever, since it started. I have edited a few articles still a newbie though #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:10:20
  32. rorylitwin
    Rory Litwin@rorylitwin
    I’m the founder of @LibJuicePress , just lurking tonight. Looking forward to the next hour. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:11:16
  33. AlishaAbrams
    Alisha Abrams@AlishaAbrams
    Hey #critlib I'm participating from Virginia, library student at USF, new Wikipedia editor, and future library job seeker.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:14:12
  34. Lux_Serviam
    Katherine Ahnberg@Lux_Serviam
    Academic services and Women and Gender Studies lib in from the U of South Florida, excited to chat a resource I teach with #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:15:42
  35. JMarkOckerbloom
    John Mark Ockerbloom@JMarkOckerbloom
    Hello #critlib! I do digital lib work at @upennlib & maintain Forward to Libraries service on Wikipedia & elsewhere:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Forward_to_Libraries …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:16:41
  36. zinelib
    Jenna Freedman@zinelib
    This is Jenna in NYC, joining #critlib late because I was on a call with folks from the incredible @LISmicroaggress crew. Hi!!!
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:20:03
  37. NoetheMatt
    Matthew Noe@NoetheMatt
    Hi #critlib, Matthew in Mass - lurking tonight. Medical librarian working with #graphicmedicine and getting hands on training as a fellow.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:22:56

  38. Q1. What is your stance towards/relationship with Wikipedia (WP) & what experiences have brought you to that stance?

  39. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    #critlib A1. I've had a few discouraging experiences, mostly as a new editor when my corrections were reversed w/o me understanding why.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:06:23
  40. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    #critlib A1 (cont) Since then I only contribute to inconsequential articles (it's no fun to "be bold" when your hard work is erased).
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:08:22
  41. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @violetbfox did you ever figure out why that was happening? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:08:56
  42. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @fiiidget I've gone back and checked, and it really was overzealous editors not being particularly friendly to a new editor. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:09:53
  43. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @violetbfox >:-/ #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:10:18
  44. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    #critlib A1 Too many horror stories (like @karencoyle's recent exp) to be enthusiastic about WP. I find it labyrinthine (& I'm a cataloger!)
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:13:08
  45. ginamshelton
    Gina Shelton@ginamshelton
    Q1 Wikipedia great tool for background info on a topic. Want to use my research skills to expand the content. All thanks to #LIS. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:06:34
  46. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    A1: Editor for 2+ years, thx to @megwacha, @silssa & @PrattInfoSchool for making connections btwn LIS & WP for LIS students. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:07:11
  47. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    A1: WP = a p good attempt @ accessible info 4 all. Still built on structural inequalities that prevent true radical openness, tho #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:08:34
  48. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    Ive also lead editathons, taught editing workshops & conducted research on the relationship btwn libs & Wikipedia. I'm in! to! it! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:11:15
  49. kcrowe
    Kate Crowe@kcrowe
    I am most curious about @dbpedia and its possibilities for #dh/#dighum for archives & special collections. #critlib  https://twitter.com/fiiidget/status/768252637938679808 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:07:37
  50. kcrowe
    Kate Crowe@kcrowe
    A1: I came to this stance through learning about linked open data for libraries, archives, and museums (#lodlam) #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:08:53
  51. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @kcrowe so much awesome #lodlam stuff to do with @dbpedia!! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:09:34
  52. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    #critlib A1 Cautiously optimistic. Great for info access, great teaching tool, some serious structural issues  https://twitter.com/fiiidget/status/768252637938679808 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:07:22
  53. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    #critlib I have taught undergrads to edit wikipedia a couple times, participated in a couple of edit-a-thons, & done a few individual edits
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:09:26
  54. socaldesi
    gayatri singh@socaldesi
    #critlib A1.I feel like Wikpedia has evolved since the beginning, and I can see how it can be used as a tool for instruction
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:08:08
  55. socaldesi
    gayatri singh@socaldesi
    #critlib A1.but being aware of the diversity/inclusion issues I am a little wary. I've had both so-so & great interactions w/ editors
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:10:39
  56. ginamshelton
    Gina Shelton@ginamshelton
    @socaldesi That's where I want to go next with WP. Engaging college students in #infolit skills with editing #wkipedia. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:09:44
  57. KaraKaraPW
    Kara Plamann Wagoner@KaraKaraPW
    @ginamshelton Noooo! And it was only done once...How wonderful would it be to carry it forward? Definitely worth exploring! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:16:52
  58. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    A1 I've kind of poked at it & I've read a lot of the documentation, and I've used it in my credit course. Haven't edited much #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:08:18
  59. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    A1 part 2: I keep thinking I should edit more, but I don't #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:09:39
  60. nawalani
    Nicole Nawalaniec@nawalani
    @nfoasberg I agree.. it's a lot of work/effort #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:12:51
  61. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    I find it really intriguing as a rare transparent place that knowledge gets put together and presented, and what goes into that #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:17:06
  62. diannelibrarian
    Dianne@diannelibrarian
    Q1 Use #Wikipedia in IL sessions as place for students to get ideas for research topics, encourage them to look @ citations #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:08:37
  63. KaraKaraPW
    Kara Plamann Wagoner@KaraKaraPW
    A1. I was part of an awesome edit-a-thon where students in HI edited info about their neighborhoods/towns, sparking my Wikilove. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:09:04
  64. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    Place-based pedagogy! #critlib  https://twitter.com/KaraKaraPW/status/768253758157488128 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:10:43
  65. cm_harlow
    ontology mechanic@cm_harlow
    A1 Wikipedia offers a **needing to be evaluated, improved** model for involvement/data mngmnt that traditional lib authorities lack #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:09:37
  66. cm_harlow
    ontology mechanic@cm_harlow
    A1 cont. So I see Wikipeidia + related projs- DBpedia, Wikidata - as possible ways for community curation/reuse of "authority" data #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:10:24
  67. cm_harlow
    ontology mechanic@cm_harlow
    A1 cont but not without social/contextual/technical/data probs needing to be addressed - that maybe libraries can help address best #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:10:58
  68. cm_harlow
    ontology mechanic@cm_harlow
    sorry #critlib i just totes jumped on ur hashtag.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:11:11
  69. GinaMurrell1
    Gina Murrell@GinaMurrell1
    A1. In publishing (my 1st career), Wikipedia was viewed as an unreliable reference source. Authors were discouraged from citing it. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:10:00
  70. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @GinaMurrell1 is the attitude in libraries different in your experience? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:11:59
  71. GinaMurrell1
    Gina Murrell@GinaMurrell1
    @fiiidget At this point, I can't say. I'm still trying to gain a strong foothold in the library field 2 years after earning my MLS. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:14:01
  72. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    @GinaMurrell1 @fiiidget I think there is still a lot of variation in the libraryland Some enthusiasm, lots of apathy? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:16:22
  73. GinaMurrell1
    Gina Murrell@GinaMurrell1
    @oksveta I'll take your word for it. I'm still finding out! @fiiidget #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:17:21
  74. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @oksveta @GinaMurrell1 it seems like far less outright disdain than 10 years ago, but yeah, still a lot of apathy #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:17:32
  75. nawalani
    Nicole Nawalaniec@nawalani
    A1: Huge Wiki fan... Love the idea of crowdsourcing knowledge. 10/10 use daily. Platform for critical thinking #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:11:24
  76. EamonTewell
    Eamon Tewell@EamonTewell
    A1: I appreciate Wikipedia's aim to make info free & its participatory structure. Useful for talking abt sources & trust w students #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:13:26
  77. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @EamonTewell would love to hear more (from any/all) about WP as teaching tool for infolit! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:15:20
  78. EamonTewell
    Eamon Tewell@EamonTewell
    @fiiidget I usually discuss it w/ other sources--asking what a db vs. google vs. wiki are good for gets lots of interesting answers #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:20:31
  79. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    @fiiidget @EamonTewell IMO showing the "talk" page of a popular article is a great way to demo knowledge is contested & constructed #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:17:31
  80. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @oksveta @fiiidget @EamonTewell Agree! I love showing it in class, esp contested entries. Transparency like nowhere else! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:19:34
  81. EamonTewell
    Eamon Tewell@EamonTewell
    @jessicahochman @oksveta @fiiidget students' minds get blown w/ the talk page. I also mention that 90% of editors are men #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:23:52
  82. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @EamonTewell @oksveta ditto! Luckily, in my last WP class, I had @fiiidget present to share some experiences, so helpful. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:25:53
  83. ginamshelton
    Gina Shelton@ginamshelton
    @ellieatoric Great idea for demo'ing #infolit Framework with #wikipedia. #critlib  https://twitter.com/oksveta/status/768255887035072513 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:19:44
  84. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    @oksveta @fiiidget @EamonTewell History, too. It shapes article. 1st edit for menstruation? "Women have this all the fucking time" #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:20:21
  85. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    A1 I say it is OK (but don't go as far as recommd) it as starting place for facts for med students. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:14:00
  86. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    Several studies show it isn't necss. incorrect for med info, but incomplete. Ex. drug side fx missing. so... #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:14:49
  87. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    ...I encourage med students to use the tools of their profession, and right now Wikip. ain't it. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:15:13
  88. klmccook
    Librarian, AFT 7463@klmccook
    #critlib Kathleen McCook.have taught class on editing WP to over 150 LIS students last 4 years at U of South FL. School of Information.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:13:12
  89. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @klmccook thanks for yr fantastic article that's tonight's suggested reading!! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:14:12
  90. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    @klmccook Your article in Progressive Librarian was our suggested reading. So glad you are also here for the chat #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:15:15
  91. nawalani
    Nicole Nawalaniec@nawalani
    @klmccook I had the same experience at UofT's iSchool. Has definitely impacted my views #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:15:48
  92. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    @nancyeadams Yes! Wikiproject Medicine has much stricter guidelines for adding content, which means a lot gets left out #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:15:51
  93. ginamshelton
    Gina Shelton@ginamshelton
    @nancyeadams How can we get more medical professionals/faculty/students to edit WP? Avg person probably seeks medical info from WP #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:17:18
  94. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    @ginamshelton UCSF med school has for-credit course where they edit WP med articles; thought it was great idea #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:18:21
  95. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    @ginamshelton @nancyeadams Yes! Wikipedia is number one source for medical info, esp for conditions ppl aren't comfy asking about #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:18:42
  96. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    agree totally. But for med professionals, I steer them away from WP. It actually IS BRAIN SURGERY #critlib  https://twitter.com/megwacha/status/768256184436613120 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:19:33
  97. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    @megwacha @ginamshelton @nancyeadams is it anti-Wikipedia bias that I hear that & wish there were a better source for such info? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:20:29
  98. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @nfoasberg @megwacha @ginamshelton @nancyeadams I don't think so. Maybe medical info shouldn't be crowdsourced--too important. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:23:23
  99. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    @violetbfox @nfoasberg @megwacha @ginamshelton Yes, I feel stakes too high. I steer them towards "info from your comm of practice." #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:25:45
  100. aboutness
    Tina Gross@aboutness
    A1: I have poked around @dbpedia as part of exploring SPARQL, and considered making Wikipedia edits to fix searches that didn't #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:15:12
  101. KaraKaraPW
    Kara Plamann Wagoner@KaraKaraPW
    A1. Love how students react when they realize they are knowledge experts & they have the power to accurately tell stories of place. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:15:37
  102. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    A1: I love Wikipedia as a starting point, quick ref for things I "should know"; but also bc wikipedians make the road by walking it #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:16:32
  103. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    A1 And, I love wikipedia as a text to read critically. In my classes we read it, edit it, & consider the content & practice #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:17:54
  104. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    catching up: A1 - got a few hundred edits under my belt after some rough first attempts + unkind editorial response #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:34:16

  105. Q2. In what ways could Wikipedia be a potential resource or site for enacting #critlib?

  106. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    #critlib A2 for pedagogy, get students to see themselves as knowledge producers, demo how knowledge is contested  https://twitter.com/fiiidget/status/768255690020417536 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:19:02
  107. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    #critlib A2.2 especially if their edits don't stick, great opener for convo about power and knowledge. but need debrief time & fore-thought
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:20:58
  108. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    #critlib A2.3 especially if working w/ student editors, am careful to have them make anonymous accounts to limit their risk of harassment
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:22:44
  109. msmendezbrady
    Marisa Mendez-Brady@msmendezbrady
    @oksveta thanks for the tip! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:25:11
  110. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @jessicahochman @socaldesi Well, if they're not, Wikipedia editors often won't accept them as "legitimate". #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:25:17
  111. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    There are so many places to start on WP (subject areas, notability, infolit) but it can be overwhelming! #critlib  https://twitter.com/fiiidget/status/768255690020417536 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:19:15
  112. nawalani
    Nicole Nawalaniec@nawalani
    @oksveta @fiiidget students should be thinking of themselves as knowledge creators! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:23:43
  113. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    WP makes contested nature of knowledge visible. Often look here first, then compare to peer review. #critlib  https://twitter.com/fiiidget/status/768255690020417536 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:21:19
  114. GinaMurrell1
    Gina Murrell@GinaMurrell1
    A2. Edit-a-thons, like ones for women artists, are great for enacting #critlib principles, i.e. working toward more inclusive histories.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:20:31
  115. socaldesi
    gayatri singh@socaldesi
    #critlib A2. with so much focus on citations, when we edit I want us to be more aware of who we are citing; give voice to marginalized...
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:20:43
  116. socaldesi
    gayatri singh@socaldesi
    #critlib A2. ...scholars. that's something pulse orlando syllabus made me think abt. it's more than talking about underrepresented folks...
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:22:15
  117. socaldesi
    gayatri singh@socaldesi
    #critlib A2. ...it's important to cite their work.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:23:03
  118. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @socaldesi great point. As much as I love the outside links, they're often to hegemonic, obvious sources. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:21:14
  119. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    Yes! But then there can be problems with what's considered a reliable source, or a notable topic! #critlib  https://twitter.com/socaldesi/status/768256690944741376 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:21:25
  120. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    +1 Wikipedia reinforces bias in the literature. #critlib  https://twitter.com/socaldesi/status/768256690944741376 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:24:13
  121. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @socaldesi there's some deep deep structural bias in WP bc of who created it, and for all my love, idk if it can be overcome :( #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:25:32
  122. EamonTewell
    Eamon Tewell@EamonTewell
    @violetbfox @jessicahochman @socaldesi so interesting how Wiikipedia relies on traditional authority & reproduces these structures #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:28:45
  123. diannelibrarian
    Dianne@diannelibrarian
    A2 Wikipedia seems ripe for #critlib work: empower student voices, work to deconstruct gendered power structure, think critically abt info
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:20:59
  124. diannelibrarian
    Dianne@diannelibrarian
    A2.2...creation & dissemination #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:21:22
  125. Lux_Serviam
    Katherine Ahnberg@Lux_Serviam
    Q2. Emerging scholarly language often starts in online discourse communities. Peer review process filters alternative terminology #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:21:49
  126. stacymallison
    Stacy Allison-Cassin@stacymallison
    A2. So many knowledge/political/social structures are visible when editing #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:23:22
  127. msmendezbrady
    Marisa Mendez-Brady@msmendezbrady
    #critlib A2 I am hoping to teach Wiki editing in the context of narratives not well represented, and to question why they aren't already
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:23:39
  128. zinelib
    Jenna Freedman@zinelib
    This is SO GOOD. I'm dying from all the great responses to #Wikipedia editing as a site for #critlib.  https://twitter.com/msmendezbrady/status/768257428001591296 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:26:04
  129. klmccook
    Librarian, AFT 7463@klmccook
    Notability big issue.Class often adds entries on libraries & get taken down. Trolls deem subj. not notable.Discouraging. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:23:43
  130. wikigamaliel
    Gamaliel@wikigamaliel
    @klmccook Unfortunately some editors have a vision of notability that is narrower than WP policy and is influenced by their biases. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:25:39
  131. wikigamaliel
    Gamaliel@wikigamaliel
    @klmccook Outreach needs to be two-way process. Teach new editors about WP, teach WP editors that subjects new to them are notable. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:26:47
  132. k_swickard
    Kelly Swickard@k_swickard
    #critlib A2 showing students linked data avail on wp/ citations and citing/ authority control
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:23:58
  133. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    A2: Juxtapose articles on important underrep. topics at the same time w/ stats showing avg white, male WP editor; amirite? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:24:10
  134. nawalani
    Nicole Nawalaniec@nawalani
    A2: Scholarship as conversation irl #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:25:01
  135. EamonTewell
    Eamon Tewell@EamonTewell
    A2: As far as demonstrating the power of non-hierarchical information sources and freely sharing info, Wikipedia is a great example #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:25:26
  136. JMarkOckerbloom
    John Mark Ockerbloom@JMarkOckerbloom
    A2. I think WP-conflict, tho frustrating, also useful in showing inherent politics of info & prompting critical eval of assertions. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:28:03
  137. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    A2 Wikipedia is a great place to learn how "collaborative" = unfair influence + powers, oh, + that scholarship isn't a conversation #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:35:13
  138. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    A2 therefore, great place to evidence power imbalances + oppressed voices under banner of "notability" + other "pillars" #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:36:13

  139. Q3. In what ways are the pillars (i.e. Neutral Point of View) and/or organizational structures of WP in tension with #critlib? bit.ly/2b3HO7d [link to Wikipedia page for the 5 pillars]

  140. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    Q3. In what ways are the pillars (i.e. Neutral Point of View) and/or organizational structures of WP in tension with #critlib?
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:25:43
  141. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    Only Wikipedia edit from my family so far is gf's addition of a fact about Randy Fenoli as Miss Gay America  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Fenoli … #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:27:23
  142. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @edrabinski v. important work #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:28:19
  143. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    Q3: This is a tough question, and I struggle with the word 'tension' as much as I do the word 'neutral' #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:27:24
  144. wikigamaliel
    Gamaliel@wikigamaliel
    @megwacha Unfortunately a structural problem. A way around that is to use librarian powers to find and amplify other sources. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:28:36
  145. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    Yes! For me, this is a call for open access to the lit and recognizing other forms of knowledge creation #critlib  https://twitter.com/wikigamaliel/status/768258676578627584 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:31:04
  146. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    Very interesting. Can you elaborate a little on that? #critlib  https://twitter.com/megwacha/status/768258375209590784 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:29:21
  147. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    @megwacha What's the struggle around tension as a word? I use it all the time, didn't know it was contested! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:30:17
  148. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @edrabinski @megwacha I'm also curious re: tension. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:30:39
  149. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    Q3 'Neutral Point of View' is intended as a means to prevent subjective language and a call to "represent the debate" #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:29:27
  150. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    If we could get at the same thing without using the word neutral, what would we say? I know there's something better. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:33:03
  151. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    ,@megwacha I'm imagining a lot of arguments over which terms are loaded and which ones can safely be used by "all sides" #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:33:04
  152. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    an attempt from WP to prevent editwars, infotrolling, but taken too far? #critlib  https://twitter.com/megwacha/status/768258891452936192 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:31:54
  153. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @megwacha is this a place where "tone policing" would be acceptable? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:33:53
  154. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @megwacha i don't know if it's possible. All writing has a lens. But to admit that is difficult & dangerous to status quo. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:34:12
  155. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    @jessicahochman YES. Most Wikipedians recognize you can't be neutral. It's more about writing style, representing the debate. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:42:08
  156. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @megwacha @jessicahochman Do you think many WP editors wouldn't defend (their idea of) "rational" POV being superior to others? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:45:42
  157. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    @violetbfox @jessicahochman It depends. Are we talking about the majority of editors, or the loudest voices? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:46:33
  158. wikigamaliel
    Gamaliel@wikigamaliel
    @violetbfox @megwacha @jessicahochman I would be surprised if a majority of WP editors didn't feel this way. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:46:49
  159. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @violetbfox @megwacha imo all people defend their ideas as "right"; prob is that most people don't acknowledge they have a lens #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:47:15
  160. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @megwacha @jessicahochman I'm sure you interact with lots of reasonable editors, but hard to hear them over louder GG-esque voices. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:47:51
  161. aboutness
    Tina Gross@aboutness
    @violetbfox @megwacha @jessicahochman From what I've seen, they have no critical distance from their notions of neutral, rational. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:47:58
  162. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    @violetbfox @jessicahochman I know. And it depends on where you edit, what you contribute. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:48:43
  163. sadads
    Alex Stinson@sadads
    @violetbfox @jessicahochman as @megwacha points out: only certain topics attract the trolling editors: most editing uncontroversal #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:49:50
  164. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @aboutness @violetbfox @megwacha super interesting & kinda sad. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:49:51
  165. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    A3: I think we've already started talking about the problems w who "gets to be notable" creating barriers for representation #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:27:49
  166. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    How do you think this structural bias compares with similar in "traditional" reference sources? #critlib  https://twitter.com/fiiidget/status/768257903342063616 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:28:09
  167. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @oksveta on WP it is more visible, more accessible and hopefully more malleable. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:29:32
  168. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    Def seems to adhere to pretty conservative ideas about what counts as proof/evidence. #critlib  https://twitter.com/oksveta/status/768257949667962880 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:29:24
  169. socaldesi
    gayatri singh@socaldesi
    @oksveta yaasss! just b/c info moves online doesn't make it perfect/imperfect. these issues exist w/ our print collections at well #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:31:41
  170. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    @socaldesi Totally agree! Maybe a way to talk about how format doesn't determine much? @oksveta #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:33:04
  171. GinaMurrell1
    Gina Murrell@GinaMurrell1
    A3. Wikipedia is touted as a neutral resource, but librarians (& libraries) aren't neutral. We bring biases when using/editing it. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:28:12
  172. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    A3: Notability has always seemed kind of weird and potentially power-reinforcing. What's notable and what isn't? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:29:18
  173. stacymallison
    Stacy Allison-Cassin@stacymallison
    A3 the "rule" against primary sources can be hugely problematic. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:29:19
  174. kcrowe
    Kate Crowe@kcrowe
    Srsly. What if some1's oral history abt their own life contradicts a published "authoritative" src abt it? #critlib  https://twitter.com/stacymallison/status/768258857835651072 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:33:03
  175. kcrowe
    Kate Crowe@kcrowe
    I am by no means saying that human memory is infallible. Clearly it's not. But it's THEIR LIFE. THEIR STORY. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:33:52
  176. msmendezbrady
    Marisa Mendez-Brady@msmendezbrady
    @stacymallison great insight! And extremely subjective, and therefore potentially oppressive #critlib #wikipedia  https://twitter.com/stacymallison/status/768258857835651072 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:33:39
  177. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    A3. WP says "personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions don't belong," which is anathemic to #critlib. They inform our worldview.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:29:21
  178. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @violetbfox seems impossible to write anything without interpretations. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:31:22
  179. KaraKaraPW
    Kara Plamann Wagoner@KaraKaraPW
    A3: I get annoyed with the idea of "authoritative sources" in Wikipedia...how can that be explored/part of dialogue through a #critlib lens?
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:29:42
  180. zinelib
    Jenna Freedman@zinelib
    A3: The encyclopedia/tertiary pillar can be tricky to navigage with a professor, as @megwacha & I learned working with a class. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:29:51
  181. kcrowe
    Kate Crowe@kcrowe
    There is no "neutral point of view," first of all. And "notability," which others have mentioned. #critlib  https://twitter.com/oksveta/status/768257949667962880 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:30:28
  182. nawalani
    Nicole Nawalaniec@nawalani
    A3: As #critlib, we need to take a stance & not be neutral. But also, Wiki is an encyclopedia so neutrality is sort of their thing
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:30:48
  183. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @nawalani @ginamshelton @oksveta a good editathon is an empowering safe space-- makes no bones abt BS on WP, encourages nonetheless #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:37:02
  184. Lux_Serviam
    Katherine Ahnberg@Lux_Serviam
    A3. False sense of neutrality and equity #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:32:04
  185. aboutness
    Tina Gross@aboutness
    A3: In practice, "neutral" really means in line with dominant/mainstream/most broadly accepted views, no? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:32:10
  186. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    Yup. #critlib  https://twitter.com/aboutness/status/768259572838469632 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:32:33
  187. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    The "consensus" touted by WP seems diff than #critlib version of consensus--WP editors can bully/"lawyer" vs. ideal of inclusivity. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:35:05
  188. Sorry, late to #critlib. @karakaraPW's tweet on authority caught my eye. Mapping the ACRL Framework has helped me. https://t.co/S93yqgVN2T
    Sorry, late to #critlib. @KaraKaraPW's tweet on authority caught my eye. Mapping the ACRL Framework has helped me. pic.twitter.com/S93yqgVN2T
    Ray Maxwell@hsifnihplod
    ·
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:39:32
  189. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    I wonder if WP rule on "no primary sources" is part of claim to legitimacy. Might this change as WP becomes more widely embraced? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:32:50
  190. @oksveta This policy & WP:V came into real effect c. '05/'06 as a response to criticism about quality:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yChkeptuLtQ … #critlib
    Alex Stinson@sadads
    ·
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:45
  191. ginamshelton
    Gina Shelton@ginamshelton
    A3 Need to be aware of bias but difficult to avoid. Need for more ppl w/ different backgrounds to edit and blanace each other out. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:33:24
  192. ginamshelton
    Gina Shelton@ginamshelton
    A3 Kind of an accountability system where multiple voices can hopefully balance out the bias #critlib  https://twitter.com/ginamshelton/status/768259884592697345 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:34:30
  193. wikigamaliel
    Gamaliel@wikigamaliel
    NPOV necessary and powerful tool to keep WP from being hijacked by agendas, but also serves to reinforce cultural hegemony. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:35:54
  194. wikigamaliel
    Gamaliel@wikigamaliel
    @oksveta Primary sources are widely abused to push agendas and create personal interpretations, don't foresee this rule changing. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:38:42
  195. JMarkOckerbloom
    John Mark Ockerbloom@JMarkOckerbloom
    A3. In some ways I find spirit of Ranganathan more useful for describing the best ideas behind "NPOV" than the "neutral" concept. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:37:48
  196. JMarkOckerbloom
    John Mark Ockerbloom@JMarkOckerbloom
    ("Every reader their articles"; "Every article its readers [w all POVs readers might be interested in]"; "WP's a growing organism" #critlib)
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:39:29
  197. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    A3 I've brought up WP in discussion of other "neutral" user-content platforms inevitably going dumpsterfire #critlib  https://twitter.com/allanaaaaaaa/status/763372475501649920 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:38:34
  198. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    A3 ... that said, Wikipedia's seniority-based "consensus" models has a lot in common with how libraries work these days ... #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:40:11
  199. sadads
    Alex Stinson@sadads
    @allanaaaaaaa less seniority and more who can appeal to the shared community values best (which usually comes with experience) #critlib 1/2
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:50:42
  200. sadads
    Alex Stinson@sadads
    @allanaaaaaaa with good coaching most new editors can figure out how to appeal to those values, i.e. #artplusfeminism or #1lib1ref #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:51:48

  201. Q4. Do librarians have a responsibility to address pitfalls of WP like gender/race/identity gaps?

  202. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    Q4. Do librarians have a responsibility to address pitfalls of WP like gender/race/identity gaps? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:35:01
  203. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    #critlib A4 Not unless I'm getting paid for it.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:35:34
  204. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    #critlib Great reminder of another structural issue with WP: So much unpaid digital labor!  https://twitter.com/violetbfox/status/768260428644233217 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:37:06
  205. sadads
    Alex Stinson@sadads
    @oksveta The problem is that most human good projects are contingent on goodwill, and only work when supported by idealists #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:54:15
  206. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    @sadads @oksveta Tragedy of the commons? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:58:27
  207. sadads
    Alex Stinson@sadads
    @nancyeadams @oksveta Yep, and squatting by the early pioneers with lots of access to that commons. But takes a village to change #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:00:22
  208. zinelib
    Jenna Freedman@zinelib
    A4: Addressing pitfalls of WP like gender/race/identity gaps eems like basic #infolit to me, or what info lit should be! #critlib #ifonly
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:37:11
  209. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @zinelib exactly! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:38:11
  210. zinelib
    Jenna Freedman@zinelib
    A4 In add'n to addressing representation in Wikipedia, it's great if you have a librarian who is a #WikiWarrior like @megwacha. :) #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:39:36
  211. sadads
    Alex Stinson@sadads
    @zinelib For the most part Wikipedians are receptive to change, and acknowledge the gaps: behavior change that is hard part #critlib.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:47:56
  212. socaldesi
    gayatri singh@socaldesi
    @sadads @zinelib I love the idea/mission of WP. does practice need to improve? yes. which is why these conversations are important #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:52:11
  213. sadads
    Alex Stinson@sadads
    @socaldesi @zinelib Indeed: but once you have the convs outside the community, needs to be paired w/ long hard action from within #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:59:16
  214. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    A4 I don't know if I'd call it a responsibility, I'm not here to assign homework to the field of librarianship #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:38:03
  215. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    A4 but I think it's a good thing to do! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:38:23
  216. diannelibrarian
    Dianne@diannelibrarian
    A4 Libs can't(shouldn't) ignore Wikipedia. Feel like if you are using/mentioning to your users, should be transparent abt issues #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:38:47
  217. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    #critlib A4. It isn't underrepresented people's job to save Wikipedia from itself.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:38:56
  218. aboutness
    Tina Gross@aboutness
    A4: Broadly, YES. In Wikipedia specifically? Probly not. A laudable goal, but I don't think that resource is our "responsibility." #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:39:00
  219. Lux_Serviam
    Katherine Ahnberg@Lux_Serviam
    A4. If we're using it to teach, yes; great intro to critical analysis #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:39:54
  220. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    A4 IMHO not necessarily librarian's responsibility to do it, but definitely to empower others to correct for their own self. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:39:55
  221. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    A4 reminds me of story: angry patron, holding book, "did u c what this book says? why aren't you telling ppl about it??" #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:43:55
  222. GinaMurrell1
    Gina Murrell@GinaMurrell1
    A4 As believers in democratization of information, librarians must ensure the info meets the needs of all. Use/edit WP accordingly. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:40:42
  223. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    A4 not sure what "address" means here - do you mean telling patrons about its weaknesses and pitfalls? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:41:04
  224. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    A4 ... because you could make an argument for Wikipedia-editing as "volunteer"/"scholarly" work for academic librarians #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:42:52
  225. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    A4 but asking other heritage workers, who don't have allotted time in their paid hours, to contribute is cruel, don'tcha think? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:43:53
  226. stacymallison
    Stacy Allison-Cassin@stacymallison
    A4 depends on context. Infolit yes, using it to feed a digital project or promote content, yes. Edit-a-thon, yes. But mandate? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:41:10
  227. wikigamaliel
    Gamaliel@wikigamaliel
    A4: WP is world's largest info source. Our patrons are all there. If we aren't, are we fufilling our duties as info professionals? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:41:33
  228. kcrowe
    Kate Crowe@kcrowe
    I have many feelings about this and am now determined to find cited published prim src in Wikipedia. #critlib  https://twitter.com/wikigamaliel/status/768261216116416512 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:44:28
  229. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    A4: In no way should be an obligation to edit, but libs shld be aware of how WP works, and honest abt it w patrons/students/peers #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:42:06
  230. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    A4: Libs & librarians need to make their voices heard re:Wikipedia, lest the public (or Wiki admin) think we don't care. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:43:49
  231. socaldesi
    gayatri singh@socaldesi
    #critlib A4. I think WP is intentionally seeking out partnerships with libraries, and in that role we should definitely be talking abt it
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:42:07
  232. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    sure, if they pay me #critlib  https://twitter.com/socaldesi/status/768262078972866560 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:45:55
  233. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    A4 it'd be nice to have automated bots set up for librarians just to flag, revert, delete bad articles. minimal time, maximal gain. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:48:52
  234. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    A4 As long as WP (or Google for that matter) is so widely used, librarians have responsibility to understand its structural issues #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:42:52
  235. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    #critlib A4.2 and to intervene to the extent that their position allows; not an "off-the-clock" moral responsibility to edit
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:46:03
  236. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    #critlib @oksveta So maybe we should ask -- should libraries be supporting librarians' work to address pitfalls of Wikipedia? (yes)
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:48:58
  237. KaraKaraPW
    Kara Plamann Wagoner@KaraKaraPW
    A4: I like to edit because I'm prone to more talk than action...wp= a comfortable place to being gaining #critlib confidence & close gaps
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:45:31
  238. JMarkOckerbloom
    John Mark Ockerbloom@JMarkOckerbloom
    A4. IMO, as long as users use WP, we have responsibility to help use it well (eg by making them aware of gaps and/or helping fix) #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:46:57
  239. JMarkOckerbloom
    John Mark Ockerbloom@JMarkOckerbloom
    A4.By "we" I mean librns of all sorts; burden shouldn't default to those most hurt by gaps. Tho I hope I'm told when I do it wrong. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:48:49
  240. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    +1 Librarians should be supported to work with Wikipedia, but not required. Personal, informed choices #critlib  https://twitter.com/JMarkOckerbloom/status/768263294612144128 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:48:04
  241. pfanderson
    P. F. Anderson@pfanderson
    @JMarkOckerbloom Also to help shape appropriate use - mine bibliography for resources, dig back to original sources, etc. #CritLib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:48:12
  242. klmccook
    Librarian, AFT 7463@klmccook
    Work to include WP work in P & T or annual review. #critlib  https://twitter.com/megwacha/status/768263575009886208 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:49:44
  243. ginamshelton
    Gina Shelton@ginamshelton
    A4 In lib instruction students learn abt potential biases/flaws w/ any source then learn 2 find other sources 2 balance out the POV #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:46:59
  244. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    A4. But, like, I fill this screen w characters for free. If editing WP was fun for me, I'd likely do for free. (Alas, It's not.) #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:50:17

  245. Q5. What accounts for historic maligning of WP by libs and what does this tell us about our own stance towards information?

  246. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    Q5. What accounts for historic maligning of WP by libs and what does this tell us about our own stance towards information? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:47:52
  247. BohVik
    FlaPubLibGuy@BohVik
    A5 Reason for historic bad rep of WP is printed Encyclopedias, with printed citations. must be right. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:48:35
  248. zinelib
    Jenna Freedman@zinelib
    A5: I feel like librarians were early to using Wikipedia critically, though not as open as now. Convincing profs is a challenge. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:50:26
  249. EamonTewell
    Eamon Tewell@EamonTewell
    @zinelib most resistance I see re: wikipedia use is from profs (and usually in the middle of instruction sessions) #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:33
  250. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    A5 fully justified intuition-based suspicions borne out by later evidence #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:50:42
  251. wikigamaliel
    Gamaliel@wikigamaliel
    A5. Mission to promote quality sources of info, so a natural reaction to an untested source. Now librarians are excited about WP. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:51:02
  252. Lux_Serviam
    Katherine Ahnberg@Lux_Serviam
    A5 General mistrust of crowdsourced materials, "armchair" academics, any anonymity in relation to authority #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:51:15
  253. Lux_Serviam
    Katherine Ahnberg@Lux_Serviam
    A5. Who gets to be the expert? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:53:24
  254. diannelibrarian
    Dianne@diannelibrarian
    A5 Wiki represents move away from trad scholarly sources to open, free & crowdsourced. Scary for ppl who built careers on print #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:51:28
  255. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    A5 Fear of becoming obsolete? Fear of info free-for-all? Fear of disrupting white cishet control of mainstream access to info? Fear #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:51:52
  256. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    @fiiidget except if there's white cishet control of wikipedia (is there?) seems like little difference? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:52:49
  257. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    @edrabinski right, time has proven. but 15 years ago, it cld have been anything (not really, it could have only ever been this way) #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:53:48
  258. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    @fiiidget It's like we're all rearranging deck chairs til the revolution comes. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:14
  259. GinaMurrell1
    Gina Murrell@GinaMurrell1
    @fiiidget Yep. WP model of "everyone as info source" disrupts narrative that's historically been white cishet Christian normative. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:58:33
  260. aasomrd
    Mr. D.@aasomrd
    @fiiidget Agree + jealously over gatekeeping knowledge. Begs Lacanian question: Why do we need jealously to maintain our identity? #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:02:57
  261. barnlib
    Barnard Library@barnlib
    Injecting this oldie but a goodie into tonight's #critlib chat on Wikipedia.  https://twitter.com/ingredient_x/status/522845431223812096 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:52:07
  262. barnlib
    Barnard Library@barnlib
    Another oldie-but-goodie tweet, prompted by Q5. #critlib  https://twitter.com/barnlib/status/430920233650384897 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:53:28
  263. msmendezbrady
    Marisa Mendez-Brady@msmendezbrady
    @barnlib this is amazing! Thank you for the epic belly laughs #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:38
  264. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    A5: WP was free, accessible to all, unmediated by us. Librarians' turf was threatened. #critlib  https://twitter.com/oksveta/status/768263525290483712 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:52:07
  265. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    A5 I became a Wikipedian for the same reasons I became a librarian. Information access. Taking down the patriarchy. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:52:12
  266. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @megwacha yaaassss! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:52:44
  267. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    A5. I think a lot of this distrust comes from reluctance to acknowledge expertise in people w/o instutional recognition #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:52:20
  268. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @nfoasberg so true. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:54:48
  269. EamonTewell
    Eamon Tewell@EamonTewell
    A5: Reliance on traditional modes of authority (print, scholarly) is easy. Understanding new means of producing information is hard #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:53:41
  270. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    #critlib A5. I think argument that librarians/college profs are afraid of WP or don't trust it is primarily a straw man at this point.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:53:43
  271. diannelibrarian
    Dianne@diannelibrarian
    Whoops, forgot #critlib  https://twitter.com/diannelibrarian/status/768265540636971008 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:26
  272. GinaMurrell1
    Gina Murrell@GinaMurrell1
    A5. Historically, libs were gatekeepers of information. WP model of everyone as a knowledge source resulted in it being maligned. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:54:05
  273. NoetheMatt
    Matthew Noe@NoetheMatt
    #Librarianship has a pathological fear of becoming irrelevant. Makes us make bad decisions. #critlib  https://twitter.com/GinaMurrell1/status/768265086859300865 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:12
  274. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    Other faculty worse on this. "No WP" all over syllabus/assignments, hasn't come from my mouth in yrs. #critlib  https://twitter.com/oksveta/status/768263525290483712 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:54:47
  275. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    A5 If you want to change the wikibrarian convo, join the listserv! It's pretty quiet, but we can fix that #critlib  https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:06
  276. wikigamaliel
    Gamaliel@wikigamaliel
    @megwacha I can't believe I haven't been calling myself a wikibrarian already. Changing that now. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:57:13
  277. nawalani
    Nicole Nawalaniec@nawalani
    A5: Love all of the answers to this question! Changing notion of what is "real evidence", not what is scholarly or traditional #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:12
  278. hsifnihplod
    Ray Maxwell@hsifnihplod
    I have collided with "notability" issues in trying to break in to WP. Same old walls, y'all hear?. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:55:17
  279. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    A5: Authority, authority, authority...of librarians to collect/select, of info publishers to select what's worthy. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:13
  280. JMarkOckerbloom
    John Mark Ockerbloom@JMarkOckerbloom
    I'm wondering if #critlib Q5 a bit slanted. "Malign" implies unwarranted criticism, but we've seen plenty of basis for criticism in-chat.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:57:17
  281. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    #critlib Good point! Distrust perhaps would have been a better term.  https://twitter.com/JMarkOckerbloom/status/768265894820589568 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:59:15

  282. Pitches

  283. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    What a wonderful #critlib chat! Last 5 min... time for #critpitch
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:09
  284. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    if you are new, #critpitch = share announcements, resources, CFPs, etc relevant to chat or #critlib at large  https://twitter.com/oksveta/status/768265607204646912 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:57:15
  285. klmccook
    Librarian, AFT 7463@klmccook
    Dr. Carla Hayden nominated & confirmed as LofC. Her entry barely updated. Librarians should enhance that WP article. LOTS OF US! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:55:12
  286. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    Yes! We are hoping to plan some #critlib editathons for those interested after the chat ends! #critlib  https://twitter.com/klmccook/status/768265370939498497 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:43
  287. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    @fiiidget fantastic! My Identity course is doing one with @megwacha later this term! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:57:28
  288. kcrowe
    Kate Crowe@kcrowe
    #critpitch +1 #critlib  https://twitter.com/klmccook/status/768265370939498497 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:56:49
  289. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    #CRITPITCH yaaaaaas: the month of September, read the @lisjournalclub article + talk about it with us on #lisjc! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:57:52
  290. allanaaaaaaa
    Aǀǀɑnɑ Μɑγer@allanaaaaaaa
    #critlib #critpitch here it is!  https://twitter.com/lisjournalclub/status/766314995785293824 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:58:22
  291. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    Looks fantastic! Love @davehudson123's work. Smart. Challenging. #critlib  https://twitter.com/lisjournalclub/status/766314995785293824 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:59:59
  292. LibJuiceAcademy
    LibraryJuice Academy@LibJuiceAcademy
    We hope @megwacha will teach her Wikipedia class for us again! #critpitch #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:58:24
  293. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    #critpitch: Next #critlib chat is available if anyone wants to volunteer to moderate a chat on Tues. Sept. 6th!  http://critlib.org/twitter-chats/upcoming-twitter-chats/ …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:58:32
  294. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    Thx so much @oksveta @megwacha @fiiidget for a great #critlib tonight!
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:59:16
  295. zinelib
    Jenna Freedman@zinelib
    #critlib pitch: who's going to Storify this epic chat?
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 01:59:56
  296. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    Thank you to @oksveta and @fiiidget for a fantastic conversation tonight! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:00:03
  297. sadads
    Alex Stinson@sadads
    Ditto, important conversations about the comm ! But needs to be paired with exp:  http://1lib1ref.org  #critlib  https://twitter.com/megwacha/status/768266589951188992 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:02:42
  298. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    Want to do some #critlib editing? Watch this space, and reach out to me, @sveta and/or @nora_almeida to help organize something(s)!!
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:00:07
  299. aboutness
    Tina Gross@aboutness
    #critlib #critpitch For those who haven't seen it--please check out the SAC report on the LCSH "Illegal aliens"  https://twitter.com/aboutness/status/756282780045103104 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:00:08
  300. JMarkOckerbloom
    John Mark Ockerbloom@JMarkOckerbloom
    1 thing I think WP underrated on: rapid response to new events & interests. (In contrast, *still* no "Black Lives Matter" LCSH/NA.) #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:00:18
  301. k_swickard
    Kelly Swickard@k_swickard
    #critlib I think this is important point that trad LC info is way behind current issues  https://twitter.com/JMarkOckerbloom/status/768266651561172993 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:01:15
  302. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @JMarkOckerbloom Not true. Black Lives Matter Movement #LCSH is approved as of August 2016. Not sure of timeline, but it's coming. #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:03:26
  303. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    Just asked gf, "Do I have anything for the #critlib #critpitch?" "I do not know what that means." So. I guess that means no!
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:00:42
  304. jessicahochman
    Jessica Hochman@jessicahochman
    YES! Thanks @fiiidget & @oksveta! This was so great! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:00:45
  305. megwacha
    Megan Wacha@megwacha
    I cannot recommend this enough --> CFP: WikiConference North America  https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2016/Main_Page … #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:00:56
  306. msmendezbrady
    Marisa Mendez-Brady@msmendezbrady
    Thanks @megwacha ! And thanks everyone for an inspiring #critlib chat. Y'all are amazing librarians.  https://twitter.com/megwacha/status/768266812819697664 …
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:03:09
  307. diannelibrarian
    Dianne@diannelibrarian
    Another great #critlib chat! So grateful for this little corner of the internet: always learning & challenging status quo. Keeps me engaged
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:02:16
  308. fiiidget
    S. E. Hackney@fiiidget
    Thanks everyone for a great discussion!! And thanks to @oksveta for co-modding, and the absent @nora_almeida for helping to plan #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:01:28
  309. nancyeadams
    lurknlearn@nancyeadams
    Thanks, mods and tweeters! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:02:58
  310. k_swickard
    Kelly Swickard@k_swickard
    #critlib think for faculty being agst wp it is bec students literally copy&paste from wp/ they think it is free text to use without citing
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:03:00
  311. nfoasberg
    Nancy Foasberg@nfoasberg
    I've been out of #critlib for a while, & this was a great convo to come back in on! Thanks @megwacha @oksveta @fiiidget !
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:03:45
  312. Rweenie
    Arlene Haessler@Rweenie
    Thanks all this was so informative and fun!!! #critlib
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:04:06
  313. k_swickard
    Kelly Swickard@k_swickard
    #critlib thanks all very interesting and engaging conversation
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:05:18
  314. oksveta
    sveta@oksveta
    Thanks @fiiidget & @nora_almeida for being fantastic co-mods! & Thanks #critlib for a great chat... I have missed participating in these!
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:05:28
  315. JMarkOckerbloom
    John Mark Ockerbloom@JMarkOckerbloom
    Thank you to the organizers & everyone who participated in tonight's #critlib chat! Great to hear so many voices.
    Wed, Aug 24 2016 02:13:42