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#critlib 2016-07-19: Value Sensitive Design

Archive of the July 19, 2016 #critlib chat on Value Sensitive Design, moderated by @metageeky. For more info about #critlib, including past and future chats, visit critlib dot org.

  1. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    So excited for today's #critlib on Value Sensitive Design by @metageeky, 6 pm Pacific.  http://critlib.org/value-sensitive-design/ …
    Tue, Jul 19 2016 20:34:32
  2. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Welcome all to tonight's #critlib. We'll be discussing Value Sensitive Design  http://critlib.org/value-sensitive-design/ …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:00:20
  3. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    I'm Kate, a library dev at the U of Washington in Seattle. I'm also your moderator. Thank you for joining us. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:00:34
  4. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    As a reminder, I'll be asking questions labelled as Q1, Q2, etc. Be sure to include both A1, A2, etc. and the #critlib tag with your replies
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:00:44
  5. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    For those joining in the #critlib conversation on Value Sensitive Design starting now, questions can be found at  http://critlib.org/value-sensitive-design/ …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:01:00
  6. Introductions
  7. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Let's get started with some introductions. Tell us a little about who you are. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:00:54
  8. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    As I said, I'm a libtech from UW. I used VSD in my doctoral work on assistive tech adoption among adults with dyslexia #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:02:15
  9. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Alan Borning was one of my advisors and I even took a VSD course directly from Batya Friedman #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:02:35
  10. Hi #critlib, I'm an academic cataloger in central Minnesota, where I took this picture today. #summerinMN https://t.co/syrzIScfMF
    Hi #critlib, I'm an academic cataloger in central Minnesota, where I took this picture today. #summerinMN pic.twitter.com/syrzIScfMF
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
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    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:03:39
  11. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    Jessica, academic librarian w many hats, and I know very little about Value Sensitive Design--here to learn #critlib  https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/755568127400742912 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:04:08
  12. foureyedsoul
    Ryan P. Randall@foureyedsoul
    Hey #critlib! Ryan here. I'm a community college instruction & outreach librarian in Boise, ID (whose hills are currently on fire).
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:05:52
  13. foureyedsoul
    Ryan P. Randall@foureyedsoul
    I'm excited about tonight's #critlib as a way into VSD. The readings look *~fantastic~* but I haven't been able to do them yet.
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:06:38
  14. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    Hi #critlib from an academic librarian in California. Had not heard about Value Sensitive Design, glanced at articles.
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:07:51
  15. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    I guess everyone is being shy tonight (or really that "car accident" curious about the RNC). Let's get going into our questions. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:05:18
  16. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    Hi #critlib! Late due to little league. Academic nstruction librarian in Brooklyn! @metageeky
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:16:19
  17. Q1. How would you define Value Sensitive Design?
  18. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Q1. How would you define Value Sensitive Design? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:05:51
  19. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    A1. I know it's probably difficult to distill to 140 characters, @metageeky, but do you have a succinct answer for Q1? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:07:21
  20. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    A1 Making design decisions based on your values?? (I did look at the materials a few weeks ago, I swear!) #critlib  https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/755569376112226305 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:07:38
  21. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    A1: To me, the key aspect is recognizing that society shapes how tech is used and tech usage shapes society. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:08:49
  22. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    A1: VSD is about designing tech to try to ensure that new tech betters/does not cause harm #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:09:45
  23. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    A1: And it does that by focusing on how to identify human values relevant to the tech that should be respected/promoted #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:10:49
  24. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    A1. Q1 is proving difficult for me, it just seems so "common sense" that it's hard to determine underlying principles? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:10:43
  25. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @violetbfox A lot of ethical design seems like it should be "common sense" but history shows we easily forget it. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:11:34
  26. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @violetbfox So many production systems go out, for example, completely forgetting about disability/accessibility standards #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:12:04
  27. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @violetbfox Or blatant ignorance at protecting user privacy #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:12:31
  28. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @violetbfox Actually, it's more than just the users, but the whole network of people with stakes in a system. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:13:16
  29. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    A1. @metageeky Readings sound like Value Sensitive Design focuses on design of objects. Can it also apply to exhibits, instruction? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:12:45
  30. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @lisahubbell Great question! VSD does come from engineering, so it's more focused on tangible things #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:13:51
  31. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @lisahubbell However, it has been used for intangible concepts like developing privacy policies for web browsers. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:14:23
  32. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @lisahubbell My doctoral work was less about designing a system but more about sociological investigation/developing design policy #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:15:22
  33. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    @metageeky And I liked the examples in your presentation that it could be applied to representing identities in cataloging. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:17:35
  34. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    A1 What interested me in this #critlib chat was the relationship between VSD and accessible design/disability rights  https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/755569376112226305 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:14:27
  35. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @schomj I only wrote a dissertation about that. :D #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:15:51
  36. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    @metageeky I used to be a museum exhibit evaluator, and had colleagues who worked on prototyping for visitors w disabilities. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:16:15
  37. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Let's take a different tach and talk about values with the next question. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:16:32
  38. Q2. What are some explicitly-supported values in library work?
  39. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Q2. What are some explicitly-supported values in library work? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:16:45
  40. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Q2: You can also attempt to define what a value is (or is not). If you do, you get a PhD in philosophy and a candy bar #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:17:22
  41. jayeldee
    Jennifer Dekker@jayeldee
    hey, academic librarian in Ottawa interested in the #critlib conversation, but not sure if I have much to add ...
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:18:02
  42. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    A2 Well, there are the ALA core values, which are explicitly stated. Tho I don't see explicit $$ support #critlib  https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/755572117022707713 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:18:28
  43. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @schomj I'm not a librarian, so I'm unfamiliar with those. Care to elaborate? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:20:20
  44. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    @schomj Obligatory link to ALA Core Values statement #critlib  http://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/statementspols/corevalues …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:20:22
  45. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    ALA core values are a list of 11 library values  http://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/statementspols/corevalues … #critlib  https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/755573020136054784 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:21:42
  46. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    I like an explicitly-stated value! Helps make an argument for $$, maybe? #critlib @schomj @metageeky
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:20:00
  47. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @edrabinski @schomj Explicitly stating a value also helps identify bias. For example, I'm big on disability pride, so IDENTITY was #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:21:24
  48. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @edrabinski @schomj key in my thesis work. However, that could cause tension with my user pop. who wanted privacy to avoid stigma #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:22:29
  49. foureyedsoul
    Ryan P. Randall@foureyedsoul
    A2 By "values" in tonight's #critlib, do we mean libraryland things like accessibility? Material/economic accessibility & disability a11y?
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:21:06
  50. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @foureyedsoul A lot of those fall under the value called ACCESS. However, it has many aspects one can focus on/ignore. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:23:43
  51. foureyedsoul
    Ryan P. Randall@foureyedsoul
    .@metageeky So like: One might focus on making mobile-first websites for less $$ users (on mobile) but ignore doing a11y work? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:26:46
  52. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    @metageeky A2. Respect is embedded in the question. Also diversity, equity, access. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:22:19
  53. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Q2: If it helps, let's look at the example of cataloging to respect identities. As a cataloger, what values would matter? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:19:31
  54. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @metageeky A2 "Neutrality," of course. Consistency. Accuracy. User-centeredness. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:21:12
  55. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @metageeky A2 (cont.) Efficiency. Collaboration. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:22:32
  56. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    Hmm... how to state this. Helps to get a one-time check or a line added to library objectives but doesn't #critlib  https://twitter.com/edrabinski/status/755572936489271297 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:23:00
  57. edrabinski
    Emily Drabinski@edrabinski
    @metageeky Always this tension with naming, visibility comes with a cost. #critlib @schomj
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:23:05
  58. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @edrabinski @schomj Exactly! And it can also conflict with notions of accuracy. Do you track name changes among trans creators? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:24:44
  59. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    A2. @metageeky preso definition: "A value is a concept or aspect that a person or group of people judge as important in life." #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:24:58
  60. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    IME, translate to staffing or other resources, or standing firm when something is "controversial" #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:24:02
  61. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    Like we're all down for disability rights until it comes to intersectionality or going the extra mile for a coworker w disabilities #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:25:12
  62. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    @metageeky @edrabinski And how to even do that meaningfully with genderfluid people or enbies? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:26:34
  63. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    @metageeky @edrabinski (Thinking of coding gender in name authority records for that last point) #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:27:07
  64. vmdbks
    Vernica Downey@vmdbks
    Hi, #critlib--joining late. Academic metadata librarian in Cambridge, MA. No experience with this topic but curious.
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:25:15
  65. ibeilin
    Ian Beilin@ibeilin
    Hi #critlib, Ian here lurking from the subway on the way home from work.
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:26:57
  66. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    A2. ...and I'm intrigued that this doesn't try to be universal. Could be values of individual users, staff, admin. Who decides? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:27:13
  67. jayeldee
    Jennifer Dekker@jayeldee
    @lisahubbell i think that's super interesting...institutions make values visible. A2 #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:28:45
  68. jayeldee
    Jennifer Dekker@jayeldee
    and if it's not clear, i think libraries are institutions :) A2 #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:29:47
  69. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Since a lot of you in attendance are not that familiar with VSD, I'm going to go off the rails and break from the planned Qs. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:26:39
  70. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Unless anyone objects, let's take a look at how VSD might work with one of the classic examples. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:27:23
  71. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Scenario: designing a user database for a hospital. It will be used by doctors and nurses. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:28:06
  72. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Under most user-centered design approaches, we'd focus just on the medical staff. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:28:38
  73. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    VSD says look at stakeholders, not just direct users. Who will the database impact? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:29:09
  74. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Clearly, patients will be impacted even though they won't use it. Insurance companies. Hospital admins/management. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:29:46
  75. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    For each stakeholder group, we can ask what values matter to them? Patients clearly want privacy for medical records. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:30:19
  76. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Admins and med staff might want faster access. Those values could be in tension. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:30:52
  77. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    To go back to Q1, VSD is about trying to manage all these potential conflicts by raising them up from conversation day 1. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:31:33
  78. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    @metageeky So the first part of your question refers to users of the tool being designed, not users of the whole service. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:31:29
  79. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @lisahubbell Exactly. Tech influences more than just the people who push the buttons. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:32:28
  80. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    Sidetracking from the example provided to think about the client side of our ILS and laughing bitterly #critlib  https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/755575240218910721 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:31:27
  81. jayeldee
    Jennifer Dekker@jayeldee
    @schomj i know, right? what does the ILS say about our values? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:32:50
  82. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    The confusing layouts, the ridiculous amount of clicking involved, the tiny fonts. Can't imagine using a screenreader with it #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:32:53
  83. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    This is a brilliant question and one I encourage people to ask more #critlib  https://twitter.com/jayeldee/status/755576164534464512 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:34:33
  84. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    @jayeldee It says we don't want to learn what our systems could do and/or that WE aren't valued enough to finance appropriately #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:34:06
  85. jayeldee
    Jennifer Dekker@jayeldee
    @schomj all i know is i had an exhausted student in for 2 hours today who said she can't make heads or tails of the ILS.
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:38:27
  86. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    @jayeldee Understandably so. It's a Frankenstein monster.
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:39:18
  87. jayeldee
    Jennifer Dekker@jayeldee
    @schomj i thought they were supposed to make finding things easy. seems the complete opposite.
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:39:59
  88. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    @jayeldee I think part of it may be that we can't prioritize what we want as a profession so our vendors do it for us? IDK
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:40:59
  89. jayeldee
    Jennifer Dekker@jayeldee
    @schomj i don't want to be overly critical even in a #critlib chat, but i don't disagree.
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:41:44
  90. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    So let's get back to the cataloging application. Who are some stakeholders (direct and indirect)? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:33:51
  91. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @metageeky IT, cataloging staff, end users, reference librarians, vendor staff, developers... #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:34:49
  92. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @violetbfox End users is a bit vague and dehumanizing? Library patrons? Researchers? Casual readers? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:35:56
  93. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    Library employees are often direct backend users (though we have some who refuse to touch the client side) #critlib  https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/755576420177326080 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:36:14
  94. aboutness
    Tina@aboutness
    @violetbfox @metageeky ...authors, publishers... #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:36:17
  95. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Yes! I was looking for these important stakeholders #critlib  https://twitter.com/aboutness/status/755576952581345282 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:36:37
  96. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    @schomj Right. Or a discovery layer that prioritizes speed over recall. Doesn't serve research needs, but who even knows? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:36:17
  97. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @lisahubbell @schomj ACCURACY versus EASE OF ACCESS. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:37:06
  98. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @lisahubbell just made me realize an interesting value in library world: accurately recognizing creator efforts. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:38:18
  99. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    So VSD is about identifying values of all parties & identifying conflicts. Does it give guidance on how to evaluate conflicts? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:39:01
  100. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @violetbfox There are some tools for this. One is to make that tension visible. In the UrbanSim project, they used Habermas #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:39:59
  101. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @violetbfox and his theory of legitimation to inspire tools that allowed for transparency of assumptions in the simulator #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:40:47
  102. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @violetbfox Other times, the value conflict might just have to come down to a decision call where you make clear your reasoning #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:41:49
  103. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    @metageeky @violetbfox That would be one of the linked #critlib readings:  http://vsdesign.org/publications/pdf/Borning_et_al_2005_paper23.pdf …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:42:16
  104. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Moving on, let's assume that you're sold on the idea that VSD is a good thing, how do we put it into practice? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:43:28
  105. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    In order to understand values, you need some expertise in ethics, phil., law, etc. Studying intergroup dynamics implies social sci. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:44:23
  106. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    And then if you want to apply any of it to actual tech or policy, you need to understand how engineering/policy making/etc. work #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:45:24
  107. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Sounds like a challenge, right? Pretty cross disciplinary? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:45:59
  108. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    @metageeky @violetbfox This goes back to @edrabinski re making case for $$. What about real-world decisions where values clash? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:46:09
  109. aboutness
    Tina@aboutness
    I think it would be useful to think through an illustration of values in conflict in the cataloging example. Gender in NARs maybe? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:45:50
  110. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Please do. I only know a little of cataloging, so I'll answer what I can. #critlib  https://twitter.com/aboutness/status/755579436683014144 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:46:59
  111. aboutness
    Tina@aboutness
    That has been discussed and written about a lot, so maybe using it as an example would just mean viewing it through a VSD filter. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:47:09
  112. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @aboutness Stakeholders: subject of the NAR, creator of NAR, cataloger's coworkers/supervisors, researchers, readers... #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:49:55
  113. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @aboutness This sounds very promising. I've only glanced at the literature a little. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:49:56
  114. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @violetbfox @aboutness The potential conflict between the subject's wishes and accuracy/historicity is so interesting. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:51:11
  115. aboutness
    Tina@aboutness
    Another facet is creator's wish for privacy vs. desire to facilitate user searchers for "women poets from X" and suchlike #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:53:23
  116. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    What nonsense is this? Who signed that? I am full of ?!?!?!? right now #critlib  https://twitter.com/jayeldee/status/755579581873082368 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:47:52
  117. #critlib pic.twitter.com/QrqGi16DXp
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
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    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:48:56
  118. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Q6: How do we emphasize to vendors that we have certain values that are higher than profit? #critlib  https://twitter.com/lisahubbell/status/755579518631317504 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:49:26
  119. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @metageeky By being willing to pay more, presumably. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:51:13
  120. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @violetbfox Ironic. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:53:12
  121. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    Thinking with my cataloger hat again, I wonder if it's even possible to do this alone? (Institutionally) #critlib  https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/755578842022936578 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:51:40
  122. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @schomj Well, I can say that I wrote a 3x long thesis on my own due to insomnia and no social life. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:52:47
  123. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    But maybe it would be possible within a consortium or cooperative? #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:52:57
  124. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    @schomj Or a like-minded group of catalogers *cough* #critcat *cough* #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:53:56
  125. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @schomj I believe it is possible within small groups. VSD is really strong about adopting good practices, so anyone can contribute #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:54:54
  126. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    @metageeky Yeah, cataloging standards are usually developed by lots of small groups. Hmm. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:56:30
  127. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    #critlib VSD discussion brings to mind a preso at #ccli on the mindsets of teachers in diff disciplines and how to sell them on #infolit
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:49:30
  128. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    Preso was at #ccli205 by @debbieabilock & Susan Smith on threshold concepts in disciplines #critlib  http://www.cclibinstruction.org/ccli-2015-speakers-sessions-breakout-session-speakerstopics/ …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:54:23
  129. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    But if I take off my cataloger hat, could you do with instructional design? Or design of collection space? #critlib  https://twitter.com/metageeky/status/755578842022936578 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:55:17
  130. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    @schomj Values/stakeholders are more about centering discussion. How and what you do relies on the strengths/knowledge you bring in #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:56:10
  131. schomj
    Jessica Schomberg@schomj
    @metageeky Trying to think of some process that I have control over to test this out on <thinking cap dot gif> #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:58:06
  132. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    @schomj Lots of architecture & exhibit design done in groups. Might be easier w curriculum based on certain theories or frames. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:58:27
  133. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    For a concept that evolved in an iSchool, VSD hasn't seen much in library work (insert snark here), but I think it has promise. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:58:13
  134. jayeldee
    Jennifer Dekker@jayeldee
    @metageeky by taking matters into our own hands?
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:58:54
  135. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Absolutely! VSD is ripe for new generational approaches and I'm hoping to be part of it. #critlib  https://twitter.com/jayeldee/status/755582726816665601 …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:59:41
  136. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    We're getting close to the hour, so we'll have to end soon. Although this convo went differently that my expectations, thank you. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:57:29
  137. violetbfox
    Violet Fox@violetbfox
    What a great #critlib chat--so grateful to @metageeky for explaining and everyone who chimed in tonight. Any volunteers to archive/Storify?
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 01:59:39
  138. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Thank you all again and please tweet me with more questions or if you want to discuss some papers/ideas. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 02:00:43
  139. lisahubbell
    Lisa Hubbell@lisahubbell
    Many thanks to @metageeky for new ideas & shifting gears to orient #critlib to Value Sensitive Design. Articles at  http://critlib.org/value-sensitive-design/ …
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 02:00:50
  140. foureyedsoul
    Ryan P. Randall@foureyedsoul
    Really looking forward to having the brain power & attention to take in the VSD readings! Thank you @metageeky & all in tonight's #critlib.
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 02:03:31
  141. metageeky
    Kate Deibel@metageeky
    Also, if you take in any of the readings, I highly recommend the Latour article. One of my fave papers of all time. #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 02:05:22
  142. preater
    Andrew Preater@preater
    RTs of my favourite bits from #critlib this morning (2 AM BST), likely to be of interest to systems folk.
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 13:23:35
  143. preater
    Andrew Preater@preater
    Particularly good, #critlib recommended background reading is this awesome #Latour chapter:  http://x.preater.com/2aaIcAV 
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 13:25:47
  144. FIMS_GRC
    FIMS GRC@FIMS_GRC
    Interested in the topic of the value of sensitive design? Review yesterdays #critlib for some stimulating tweets!
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 14:44:06
  145. bfister
    barbara fister@bfister
    @lisahubbell @metageeky Sorry I missed it but thanks for the great resources!! #critlib
    Wed, Jul 20 2016 15:18:50